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How Chameleon Salt Resulted in Chloe's Character Derailment
I know what your thinking, what does an episode about Lila have to do with Chloe's story. Why would a negative fan reaction to Lila's storyline effect Chloe's. There's no connection between these plot points, aside from Miraculer, and even then that was an entirely separate storyline from Chameleon. And you would be right, these story arcs had no good reason to effect each other, but they did. Or at least, that's what I'm going to try and prove.
Starting out I should state that I have little real knowledge of the animation industry, if someone more in the know says what I am suggesting is nonsense you should probably beleive them over me, since I'm just some person on the internet. These are ultimately my own observations and theories, nothing more.
Let's begin with the one thing we can all probably agree on. Something went weird with the writing of season three. Chameleon, Animaestro, Oblivio, Felix, Ladybug, and Miracle Queen, all contentious episodes that frequently appear on viewers' worst episodes lists, despite also including some of the most important episodes of the season. Combined with the fact this was the season where they began to have whole episodes with repeat Akumas, with most occurring in the back half of the season's production order. It really feels like the writer's were just trying to go with what they knew already worked, it really felt like the writers might have been struggling with this season. And I think that it all circles back to the fandom's reaction to Chameleon.
When I first started watching this show, it was at the tail end of season 2. I was never one to be spoiler adverse, so I learned pretty much all the plot points of the first two seasons almost from the start. Which is why when season three premiered, I was slammed with practically everyone's hatred of the new episode. An episode so hated it spawned an entire genre of MLB fanworks that reign supreme even today, the Class Salt/Lila Salt fanfic. I did not get spoilers for season three, not really. All I got was a constant litany of hate for Liar Lila Rossi. I knew Chameleon inside and out, without ever having had to watch it myself, and nothing else from the rest of the season. For the first time I was truly going into episodes blind. Hatred like that doesn't go unnoticed, not in this day and age, when fans and creators were now capable of interacting on social media.
Which is why, I think the writers panicked. It's now clear from sources like the Show Bible Leak and mentions of a new Butterfly holder in the episode Timetagger that they had been planning to set up Lila as the next Hawkmoth. And fans hated her. Worse they hated her in a way the writers clearly hadn't anticipated, not just for her actions but for the bad writing that surrounded her. This wasn't an issue that could be easily ignored, not with the shows future storyline hanging in the balance. Which is why after the first half of the season, where Lila played a major role in three of its 16 episodes before a short summer hiatus, Lila's story arc that they had been carefully setting up just suddenly. Stopped. Dead in its tracks. Only to receive a hasty resolution in a rather narratively crowded episode called Ladybug, which premiered ten months after Chameleon.
As I have stated earlier I have little knowledge of the animation industry, but the one thing I do know, is that it takes time to produce an episode. Anywhere from a few months or up to a year for a new episodes to be made, usually concurrently, less for cgi if you heavily reuse character models. I think you know where I'm going with this. While they likely always planned to revisit past akumas, it was suddenly a necessity as the writers scrambled to work out the Lila situation. Cutting her out of episodes were they could and relagating her to cameos when they couldn't (Lila's brief appearences in Startrain and Felix come to mind). When I said she received a resolution to her plot in Ladybug, I meant it. I sincerely beleive that the writers intended for that to be the end of Lila's storyline. Why else, would they reduce her to the role of background character in season four, if they didn't think they were done with her.
Which brings us to our next point, how all of this effected Chloe's character arc. Its no secret that Chloe's charcter development has been inconsistant. Having sympathetic moments and seemingly begining to move to the kind of redemption arc her character archtype has been known for, only to instead be back where she started next episode with all progress erased. Even episodes that aired as late in the season as Startrain, seemed to hint at the possibilty of Chloe becoming a hero again. Which is why Miracle Queen took so many of us by suprise. A gamechanger of an episode that upended the stastus quo and firmly cemented Chloe as an antagonist. The writers had found their solution, obviously since they already had an existing bully antagonist, they could just slot her into the role originally planned for Lila. They would just claim they were subverting the usual Bully Redemption narrative the whole time, everything would work out perfectly.
Everything did not work out perfectly. Obviously Chloe fans hated this development, and people who were neutral to her character (Such as myself at the time, I had grown tired of the kind of character Chloe was due to encountering to many badly written versions of the archetype. It wasn't until watching The Owl House and falling in love with Amity as a character that I gained a proper appreciation for the kind of potential Chloe could have had.) were thrown off by how sudden it all was. I can't tell you how many times I received unprompted youtube recommendations talking about how the series has gone downhill since season three. And Chloe's character derailment is almost always brought up as a part of it. The more the writers tried to double down on the new direction, the more fans pushed back. They even introduced a new character to wield the Bee miraculous (as much as I love Zoe, it's obvious she only exists to replace Queen Bee as a hero.) to drive the point home, that they were done with Chloe as a possible hero. Of course the more people hated the new direction and continued to criticize the writing, the more the writers realized that the problem was not going to go away. If they tried to cast Chloe as the new Hawkmoth, fans would reject it out of hand. And so they brought back Lila, just as suddenly as she was sidelined, she was once again being given storylines setting her up as a major future villain. They even made Chloe her underling in order to emphasize this role. And what a wild role it is, I won't go into spoilers here but suffice it to say they went all in on Lila, giving her a backstory that raises more questions then answers.
So that's the state of things as they are now, back to where the writers originally started, only with Chloe's characterization now a dumpster fire that continues to burn every character that tries to continue the Chloe hate train. Though honestly that is a mess worth discussing for a different time. I don't know if I convinced whoever is still reading this if my theory is true, but I at least hope I made you seriously question what happened with the writing decisions behind Lila and Chloe. As well as many of the questionable writing choices in general. But for now I think I've said what I wanted to and will leave you all to your own thoughts.
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The Travesty of Teenaged Girls being WORSE than an Abusive Father
A while ago, I saw a post that actually agreed with this asinine statement. I could’ve contributed this in a reblog, but instead, I chose to bitch about that post here instead because there is so much to unpack and I’d rather not preach to someone who probably wouldn’t listen.
Reality Ensues
While certain people have a point about there being kids as fucked up as Chloe and Lila in real life, those psycho kids are far from the majority. If anything, can anyone really tell apart those special psycho kids who are a lost cause from those who ended up the way they are because they didn’t get the right help? In real life, there are more kids who are actually the latter. Or the kid snaps one day, goes too far and the kid gets labelled as evil all along. Too many times, the system couldn’t be bothered to provide help or gives up on them too soon. It’s because they never got the right help that they end up “worse than someone like Gabriel”.
So while Chloe does have the potential to be worse than Gabriel when she grows up, I for one, hate the way it’s written like she’s the sole factor in her fall. As if Chloe’s just born evil when the past seasons had shown that’s not completely true - that she had potential to be good. With the right encouragement and validation, she could’ve kept it up as Queen Bee. It’s infuriating that the adults in her life who grossly failed her aren’t held accountable. Sadly, that’s realistic. Adults who are rich and powerful enough could get away with it.
Good Victim Complex
As for the other abused children who didn’t turn out like Chloe, I’ve talked at length about how the show portrays their abuse sucks. And I strongly disagree that they should be used to condemn Chloe as their situations are vastly different.
Also, condemning Chloe for all the fucked up things she did… And then praising Adrien, or hell, Felix, for being “good victims”… I can’t help but see that as hypocritical. If we’re supposed to take Chloe lashing out and putting people in danger so seriously and condemn her for it, we should do the same for just about everything Felix has done with the same critical lens. Why does Felix get a free pass but Chloe doesn’t?
Because he’s shown a kinder side to him? That there are people he cares about? Sorry, but that’s exactly how Chloe was before she got flanderized from Season 4 onwards.
Target Audience
Not to mention the genre. Like it or not, this is a kid’s show. This is not the right genre to paint children as worse than adults.
While there is merit in teaching kids “it’s okay to prioritize your own wellbeing over your bully’s”, the writers fucked up by throwing in Audrey, having her abuse Chloe on screen, then play it off as a joke. Once they threw that in there, Chloe stopped being “just a bully”.
She’s no longer just the abuser, but also a victim - someone some people could see themselves as. Kids who can admit they’ve done bad things are the sorts who could relate to Chloe best. Seeing Chloe slowly working on herself… It was inspiring to them.
It was especially cruel of the writers to dangle Chloe’s redemption for over two seasons only to toss it in the trash. In those years, how many kids looked to Chloe as someone they could identify with? As an example that things could get better? It’s no wonder some people are fuming over Chloe’s damnation arc.
It’s because this is a kid’s show that topics such as child abuse should be treated with utmost sensitivity.
Evil doesn’t discriminate against age nor gender
The minute I saw this statement in one of the post’s reblogs, I felt my blood boil. It’s true, that evil can come from anyone regardless of age or gender. It doesn’t discriminate. But you know what does?
The WRITERS of this show.
They could’ve very easily avoided this. They didn’t have to make the narrative bend over backwards to prove that teenaged girls are worse than abusive fathers. Having a teenaged girl protagonist doesn’t erase the misogyny in this writing decision when you take into account how Gabriel’s story ended this season compared to Chloe’s. Her child abuse is treated as justice. And realistically, this will only make her worse.
Chloe becoming worse than Gabriel is infuriating not because it’s impossible, but because it’s not treated as a tragedy.
the name Chloe blooming or fertility
the name Luka ligh or bringer of light
(lukloe)??
Oh the name zoe is life