Yo Bros, Sorry For Lack Of Writing Things Have Been Hectic With Going Back To School Stuff. I Do Plan

Yo bros, sorry for lack of writing things have been hectic with going back to school stuff. I do plan on getting the drafts done. I honestly am not sure when but hopefully I will find the time for it soon

Everyone’s already made the joke about how similar they are, so have the bat divas jamming out!

The gold dots are actually reflective, so I tried to get a picture of it. Below the cut.

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Let’s talk about Billy

Would like to preface this by saying that this is not my usual TWST content so anyone who is here for that I apologize. I’m currently trying to create a schedule for it so it will be up and running soon

(If you take a shot every time I say “that’s not an excuse” or some variation of it you’d die)

Okay I’m gonna start this post off by saying this is no way written to defend Billy Hargrove’s actions or even get Billy antis or whoever else to like him, it’s simply to clear up a huge miscommunication in the fandom that I’m honestly tired of seeing.

So it’s pretty clear that a lot of ST things fans hate Billy, and honestly? Fair. He’s kind of a piece of shit I won’t even deny that

He’s coded to be racist or at least act out of some sort of prejudice and somewhat of an abuser so if you don’t like him due to this THATS UNDERSTANDABLE. But you also frequently get onto other ST fans who actually do like him.

So I’m here to tell you why you’re wasting your breath and making the ST fandom very irritating to interact with

From the beginning Billy was portrayed as a Top Tier A hole, threatening his little sister for something minor, trying to fucking run over children, beating the shit out of Steve, just overall a dick. And all of that is 100% true and valid reasons to dislike him

But it was also shown that he doesn’t have a good home life with his dad beating his ass for Billy just, existing. NOW BEFORE YOU LEAVE. That. Is not. An excuse. It never has been and it never will be. He should be absolutely held accountable for everything he’s done up until this point because he’s done a lot of inexcusable shit. So you can shit on him for that I don’t really care

But believe it or not there are actually people who were interested in his character writing and chose to look deeper into him and who he is past what they gave us in seasons 2 and 3😐

Speaking from my point of view, I don’t like canon Billy. Like I’ve said several times he sucked a lot. But to be honest I don’t think that’s who the character Billy actually is. I think that all of that is a response from being abandoned as a child and dealing with years of physical abuse. Again, since I don’t want you to misinterpret my words, not an excuse, but it gives us a lot of background.

Season 2 and 3 Billy does a lot of things that could be born from underlying racism, even if it’s not outwardly said it’s there, but I personally do not think that’s because those are things he genuinely believes himself. If his asshole father sees his step-daughter hanging around a person he doesn’t like due to prejudice, did it ever occur to you who would be the one inevitably getting punished for it? Billy would. Not Max, I don’t think Neil has the balls to lay hands on his partner’s kid but he’ll do it to his own since we already know Max’s mom won’t do shit about it. Not wanting to get his ass handed to him for something that’s not his fault he’s obviously gonna try to cut the interaction between Lucas and Max. Not because he dislikes Lucas, not because he’s racist, but because otherwise he’ll get beat half to death

All this to say, I know he can be better. I don’t think all is lost for him. I think there’s more to him than what we see on the surface and if he were to be separated from the negative environment and allowed to experience life for himself instead of clouded by fear be wouldn’t be such a shit head

Trauma is not an excuse for the shit he’s done, but the moment trauma response/survival instinct gets ugly and isn’t just anxiety and flinching when someone raises their hand, you don’t believe they deserve an ounce of sympathy or a chance for redemption

I know he not only has the potential to make amends with those he hurt but completely forget the ignorant sentiments he’s been forced to abide by. That doesn’t mean any character is required to forgive him or you are for that matter but you really need to understand that when people talk about liking him they’re usually separating canon Billy from the Billy we never got the chance to see.

And I know some of y’all cream your pants at the fact that the duffer brothers confirmed Billy to be racist, but to be honest with you I could not give a flying fuck what the Duffer brothers say. They’ve proven more and more with each season that they may know how to write a story but not a character. If it weren’t for the actors pushing for certain scenes or refusing to do others these characters wouldn’t be half as fleshed out as they are. We owe a lot of the character writing to the people that portray them, therefore i hold a lot more weight in what they say than i do the creators. What the Duffer Brothers say is not Gospel to me, and it would be smart of you to not consider it as such either.

You can hate canon Billy all you want, I don’t care, but don’t get pissy at people who choose to look deeper than the surface of who he is and miss what they could’ve had for him because he was just being built up to be a throwaway.

If they support what season 2 or 3 Billy did that’s a different story, definitely not okay, but I’ve yet to see anyone do that all I see is people who don’t feel comfortable watering down his entire character and role in the story to ‘racist’ because at the end of the day, that truly is just an opinion based on how you choose to read into his character

TLDR; don’t put anti billy crap in spaces that like billy just because they wanna appreciate a character that had potential and is more than what most of you want to see

If you don’t take anything away from this, fine, just be respectful in the notes if you choose to interact

I saw that you have a lot going on right now so I am not asking for headcanons, if honest I may ask in the future. Not sure if this make sense, but I was curious by your own taste, which Yuu (that you made) fits best with each Dorm Leader; Any!Prince!Yuu, Male!EAH!Cerise Hood!Yuu, Male!Briar Beauty!Yuu, Male!EAH!Lizzie Hearts, Male!EAHRaven!Yuu, Male!Jibaro!Yuu, and male!Draculaura!Yuu? Like if all these Yuu were in the same TWST Universe, who would do you think would fit if who?

This doesn’t seem like a long ask or anything so it’ll be easier for me to answer quickly and I also like talking about my opinions lol

But the Yuu that I definitely think fits the universe the best is either Prince!Yuu or any EAH!Yuu mostly because their concept was specifically written to fit in with the story of the villans so most of the canon writing is already there yk?

For Prince! Yuu I’m very much a sucker for Hero x Villain trope and on top of that the villains in Twisted Wonderland aren’t really “villains” as much as they are traumatized teenagers with powers. They aren’t written to do anything malicious or bad to someone at least not without reason and they always get the redemption the original villains didn’t get making it easier to sympathize with them and root for their happiness. And since the princes aren’t usually big playing pieces in some of the Disney movies you can kind of just put any personality to them without it combating canon

For the EAH!Yuu that’s kind of dependent on which character you put with who but overall the concept of EAH and TWST are exactly the same except EAH is more the female side and TWST is more the male side. I just like mixing and matching characters modeled after the same storybook together because it’s fun to have crossovers of different universes with the same concept just done differently. I also like to see how each of their individual knowledge of the OG story clash with each other. Like for TWST the Great Seven are people that once ruled their land or at least had large influence in it but are now dead, for EAH the “Great Seven” are well known storybook villains that are literally the PARENTS of the students, it’s like canonical multiverse and I love it.

I think either goes well but the one that I think would do better in a canonical sense of the series is probably Prince!Yuu. Thanks for the ask this was fun!

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Why do antis have this desperate need to target Billy Stans and call them "racists"? Why not target the writers wanted to use the n-word in their show?! As a poc myself I'm genuinely disgusted that these hetero white writers have this boner for wanting to implement slurs in there show.

And before someone says "wEll THeY diDN't uSe thE N-wORd!" Yeah. That's only because Dacre Montgomery was so against the idea that he convinced them to cut it out (same w/ Joe and convincing the Duffle bags to not make Steve a fucking rapist) also Dacre, the actor who plays Billy and did more characterization for Billy than the writers ever did, has gone on the record and said that Billy was not racist. But because he isn't on the writing staff nor is he part of the main cast no one gives a shit about what he has to say.

Y'know what, I know why they target Billy Stans. Because the antis realize that the writers couldn't give shit about them so instead they pick on people who they bully and mock and harass without facing any severe consequences.