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More Posts from Mystiquepriestess18
Of Zack Fair, Genesis Rhapsodos and the strange narrative POV of FFVII-Crisis Core (Part IIIb)
Part I: https://buffaloborgine.tumblr.com/post/650462647672766464/of-zack-fair-genesis-rhapsodos-and-the-strangeÂ
Part IIIa:Â https://buffaloborgine.tumblr.com/post/655899595763859456/of-zack-fair-genesis-rhapsodos-and-the-strangeÂ
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Warning: Sincerely, this part takes on an even more controversial route than last part. Please read the previous parts first before reading further on this part. (I did have the link to part I in case you are new reader)
Also, please keep an open mind when you read this. I appreciate any kind of discussion about theories, but please, try to keep your bias out when we discuss on an objective subject. Thank you.
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The Mails (b)Â
So we have the fundamental basic on how reliable the mails from the fanclubs could be. One personâs fanclub is mostly right when they wrote about their idol, but they may not be right about the others in the trio.Â
Last time, we took a look in the Keepers of Honorâs mail, this time, we will take a look in the Silver Eliteâs mail.Â
Like, I think you would have already guessed out which mail it is, itâs not that hard. Â
âThe memory of silver winds
Sephiroth is known to value his private life, but there was a time when he had two best friends. Weâd like to share a story of this threesome guaranteed to raise a smile.
The SOLDIER trio would use the training room exclusively as their playground, but in order to retain their 1st Class dignity, they would sneak in only after the 2nd Class members had gone home. Then they would proceed to have one of the three stand with a dumbapple on his head, while the other two would throw their swords at the apple to pierce it!
Sephiroth always won, his Masamune always striking every dumbapple dead center.âÂ
So, whatâs the problem with this mail? Itâs just a fun snippet about what the trio do in their free time, right?Â
The first thing we notice about this mail is itâs title, âThe memory of silver windsâ. It then raises the very first problem about this.Â
In the last part, I introduce the âRashoumon Effectâ to you guys, and itâs really important to bring it back here again.Â
When you realize that you are facing a problem affected by Rashoumon effect, you should be aware of two things: one is that you donât have enough proofs to confirm what the heck happened and two is the witnesses may not provide accurate testimony, either because of their memory got tampered by emotion, situation or even their own decision.Â
Therefore, the title of this mail has a red flag that itâs just a âmemoryâ, thus, it can totally be not accurate, due to, a lot of reasons. But of course, it can still be accurate, right? Then letâs move on to the next problems this mail brings about. Â
âThe SOLDIER trio would use the training room exclusively as their playground, but in order to retain their 1st Class dignity, they would sneak in only after the 2nd Class members had gone home.âÂ
In one of the very first mail Zack got from Kunsel, we got some information.Â

Kunsel points out that âGenesis never found group activities appealingâ, so it contradicts with the info âThe SOLDIER trio would use the training room exclusively as their playgroundâ. However, taken in the famous âtraining simulation roomâ cutscene, we find details contradict even more.Â
Yes, we actually have a cutscene, which is trustable, of the trio in the training room and the mail from Silver Elite did say that too, we can assume that Kunselâs stating was a wrong point of view on Genesis. The part âin order of retain their 1st Class dignityâ shows that âGenesis never found group activities appealingâ is a facade, Genesis acted like he doesnât enjoy group activities, but in truth, he does, similarly to Angeal and Sephiroth.Â
Therefore we can confirm that at least, to this part, the mail from Silver Elite is not wrong about the trio.Â
Moving on to the next problem, and I repeat again, from the warning, this is the controversial part.Â
âThen they would proceed to have one of the three stand with a dumbapple on his head, while the other two would throw their swords at the apple to pierce it!â
While this sentence sounds fun, what I want to discuss is the reliability.Â
First of all, about the dumbapples. We donât see much dumbapples around in Crisis Core, and especially in Shinra HQ. The places we can spot dumbapples are in Banora, in that one weird room of Shinra Mansion, and a few times Genesis takes it out. Â



So to say that the trio would use dumbapples as a dartboard, would mean you have to see those apples around very much, but of course, you donât. Since the dumbapples are not in abundance, wasting them as a sword throwing boards would be extremely illogical.Â
The second issue with this comes from Genesisâs side. To say that the trio would get into the apple sword throwing game means that Genesis would have to agree to play on his own will, so would Angeal, and this may not be true.Â
Genesis doesnât bring the dumbapple out that frequently. We donât even see him holding the dumabpple until Junon event. In which, he held out the apple as a way to reminisce about Angeal, who has just passed away not long ago. Besides, the Junonâs Sister Ray is a special place to him, itâs the place where the trio had had their very last friendly moment with each other (before the disaster occurred).

The other times he hold the dumbapple are:Â
- Nibelheim Reactor, where he offered the apple to Sephiroth, as a way to ask Sephiroth to join him.Â
- The bridge scene, where he is seen holding the apple and caressing it to his cheek.Â
- In Gongaga, where he offers the apple along with âprovingâ his theory about the gift of the Goddess for Zack, but when Zack refuses, Genesis simply drops the apple into Zackâs hand. This later proves useful as Zack finally realized that Genesis could be in Banora due to the apple. (Iâm pretty sure that when Angeal called Zack as âpuppyâ, he means Zackâs brain is of a puppy due to how slow he realizes the hints). Â
Something to take note about is when Zack found Genesisâs diary.Â

Overall, this very small amount of times we see Genesis holding out the dumbapple, his gestures towards it, and his dream to âserve the hero Sephirothâ the apples one day, show that he literally treasures those apples. He held the apple in reminiscence to his dead friend, he wished to serve the apples to his âheroâ and he used the apples as a way to invite people to join him. Such a person, with that much respect for the dumbapples, would agree to use them as sword throwing boards? I donât think so.Â
Therefore, this part of the mail about the trio throwing swords at apples as a game may sound fine with Sephiroth, but it doesnât with Genesis. And knowing Angeal, he grows up in Banora, he sees the dumbapples as precious fruit, and he comes from a poor family, thus, wasting food for games would not sound acceptable to him.Â
In conclusion, this mail of Silver Elite can only be trusted from the first half, the rest is totally made up, whether is is made up by Sephirothâs fans, or even by Sephiroth himself, I am not sure, but I can be sure, the trio would logically never come in the training room to just throw swords at dumbapples.Â
Thanks for coming to my Ted-Talk. I will see you later, with a new problem. ภ^â˘ďťâ˘^ภÂ
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Part IV:Â
Of Zack Fair, Genesis Rhapsodos and the strange narrative POV of FFVII-Crisis Core (Part Va)
Part I: https://buffaloborgine.tumblr.com/post/650462647672766464/of-zack-fair-genesis-rhapsodos-and-the-strangeÂ
Part IV conclusion:Â https://buffaloborgine.tumblr.com/post/658109128619802624/of-zack-fair-genesis-rhapsodos-and-the-strangeÂ
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Warning: As always, I copy paste this warning over and over just in case you ignore it and keep reading down. âThis series is very controversial, it may not fit with what you know or remember about Crisis Core. So please, read the former parts (I did put the link to Part I in case you are new reader) before putting your foot further down below.â P/s: I welcome all kind of discussion. I love discussion. But this subject is an OBJECTIVE subject, please make sure to keep your bias and prejudice out of discussion, also, I donât welcome character dissing or using fallacies in arguments, thank you. ______________________________________
Do you sometimes find that when you are focusing on a scene in a movie, suddenly the screen goes black, and then you couldnât remember all the details that appear on the screen just several seconds before it?Â
Or when you focus your sight too much on an object in front of you, you cannot see clearly what is going around the two sides of your face? Or when you focus too much on an event happening, you lose your attention on the other events happening in the background?
These are normal phenomena happen with your brain when you force it to focus on something, either itâs your temporal memory or your peripheral senses, they all cause you to lose grasp on the events or details happening in the background of a scenario.Â
And believe it or not, the writers/directors of FFVII, especially Crisis Core, know that you love Zack so much, that you will simply focus on him, without paying attention to whatâs going on in the background. I did say this in the other parts, but I have to repeat it here, in case you forget about it.
So, in this part, we will talk about another problem in the narrative of Crisis Core. Since I donât have a proper definition for it, I will simply call itâŚÂ
Desyncing Information.Â

Do you feel like there are some certain information that you should have seen/read at a certain scene in the game, but instead, you get it a lot sooner, or a lot later than it should be given to you? Well, thatâs exactly the problem here.Â
The first detail I want to point out is the âfour yearsâ information that was given to you through Aerithâs letter at the end of Crisis Core. It gave you the knowledge that Zack and Cloud has been stuck in the underground laboratory for approximately four years since the event of Nibelheim.Â
So, whatâs the matter to it?Â


While focusing on Zack, you didnât realize that Genesisâ degradation didnât even change at all through out all four years, you can see clearly that in Nibelheim, Genesis was greyed from his head to his chest, and during the scene on the bridge, it stayed the same. According to the 10th Anniversary Ultimania, the time that the incident in the training room was midsummer [ Îź ] - ξγΝ 0000. We see Genesis started to get greyed by the degradation was on April 2nd, [ ν ] - ξγΝ 0001, during the event of Modeioheim, less than one year since he got the injury.Â


And after that, we see him changed from half greyed to fully greyed, if we count from the time Zack met him after breaking out of the laboratory, December 19th [ ν ] - ξγΝ 0006, then the time we see him fully greyed, is on September [ ν ] - ξγΝ 0007, in Banora Underground. Â

Without the âfour yearsâ information, you would normally think that his degradation is not weird, because you assume that it only took Zack less than one year to break out of the laboratory. But now you realize that huge time gap of 4 years, and Genesis just stayed the same. Donât you find it weird that those four years that Genesisâs degradation stayed the same is also the four years that Zack is stuck in the laboratory? Could there be any relation between Zack and Genesisâ degradation? Welp, at first, we literally see nothing relating between them, but if you consider one factor, that Zack is the only one chasing and killing Genesisâ copies, then there may be something. Remember that to create those copies, Genesis literally cuts off his cells and give them to his followers. My theory is that, if the connection between Genesis and his copies are kind of similar to the connection between Angeal and the A-copies, then Genesis would have a part of him inside each of the G-copies. Therefore, it works like the hocruxes in Harry Potter, each copy carries one part of Genesis, so when they die, Genesis get weakened. And without anyone going around killing the copies during those 4 years, Genesis doesnât degrade more.Â
So⌠thatâs it, for the first section of part V. I will see you in the next section.Â
(do you remember what Genesis was holding in his hand during the first time Zack encountered him in Banora?)Â _____________________________________ Part Vb:Â
Of Zack Fair, Genesis Rhapsodos and the strange narrative POV of FFVII-Crisis Core (Part IV conclusion)
Part I:Â https://buffaloborgine.tumblr.com/post/650462647672766464/of-zack-fair-genesis-rhapsodos-and-the-strange
Part IVb:Â https://buffaloborgine.tumblr.com/post/657521891798614016/of-zack-fair-genesis-rhapsodos-and-the-strange
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Warning: As always, I copy paste this warning over and over just in case you ignore it and keep reading down.
âThis series is very controversial, it may not fit with what you know or remember about Crisis Core. So please, read the former parts (I did put the link to Part I in case you are new reader) before putting your foot further down below.â
Also, as a new issue rising with this part, I emphasize this again READ THE OTHER PARTS. Donât say I didnât warn you, I put that phrase like two times in just this warning.
P/s: I welcome all kind of discussion. I love discussion. But this subject is an OBJECTIVE subject, please make sure to keep your bias and prejudice out of discussion, also, I donât welcome character dissing or using fallacies in arguments, thank you.
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Summary of part IVa and IVb:
- Zackâs POV has a lot of misleading aspect, it makes you deliberately choose to look away from the bigger problem and focus on the smaller but more appealing problem to your eyes.
- Sephiroth, whether he really makes an astounding achievement in the Wutai War or not, is still used as a propaganda by Shinra to lure in new recruits for the war. This process was repeating over and over, and since Shinra treat SOLDIER members with inequality, there is not a single other SOLDIER gets the privilege to be hailed as âHeroâ like Sephiroth.
- Genesis, Angeal, Sephiroth, Lazard, and of course the whole SOLDIER department along with President Shinra know about this unfair working ethic circling around. But they developed different reactions towards the situations, resulting in Genesis leading a large group of 2nd and 3rd to go rebelling against Shinra (with the secret help of Lazard) while the others stay loyal to Shinra (like Sephiroth), or eventually coming up to their own demises through paradoxical ideology (like Angeal).
So the final problem of this part is: Why are most of us feeling alright with all of these above?
Please take this into account when you think about this problem: Crisis Core was the last release of the Compilation, I mean, the team released three games (FFVII Original, Before Crisis and Dirge of Cerberus), one movie (Advent Children), two novels (On the Way to a Smile and The Children are Alright) ahead of Crisis Core. Even if you donât have access to the novels and Before Crisis, you would have at least playing through OG/DoC or watched Advent Children, right? Then the team of writers/directors have established âShinra is an evil companyâ in your head. This fact was repeated over and over throughout all the Compilation.
But thenâŚ
You came to Crisis Core.
And you became like a new player.
You suddenly, abruptly forgot that âShinra is an evil companyâ.
Without you recognizing it, you felt that working for Shinra may be fineâŚ
You have become Zack.
But, halt there for a second. If you have read all through this theory, and I thank you for doing so, you would be having two types of reaction:
- You feel like âYeah, I did suspect that. I mean, it doesnât feel right as I played through the game.â
- You feel like âWhy didnât I notice this before?â
And you would be surprised that the more you think you know about FFVII before you reach Crisis Core, you have higher chance to fall to the second option. New players, who only entered the fandom for a short while, or played Crisis Core as their very first game to get on with FFVII will fall for the first option.
This is a result of an effect called as âDunning-Kruger effectâ.

Dunning-Kruger effect is a hypothetical cognitive bias stating that people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability. Notably, the bias results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, âthe miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about othersâ.
With players who have had a lot of time with the franchise before Crisis Core, Dunning-Kruger effect happened when they spent time with other parts and thought that they have understood most of what are represented in FFVII, thus, they came to Crisis Core, thinking confidently that âYeah, I know the basic set up of the story, I know this, I know that, so nothing can really surprised me.â This thinking eventually leading to them not paying enough attention at the details hidden in plain sight, like, yeah, you know Shinra is evil, and Zack was still thinking that working for Shinra is right, and then you think that whoever opposed Zack must be bad, while you didnât recognize that you are also saying whoever opposing Shinra is bad. Just thinking like the writers/directors dug a very big hole right in front of your eyes with all stuff released before Crisis Core, you saw them doing so, but yet you still step into that hole.
With players who came to Crisis Core after they go through Remake, well, then they literally have very little knowledge about FFVII. They came to Crisis Core to gain more knowledge, but, problem is, they already have the bias from Remake. I mean, who really donât get any info from the fandom? In example, with that âSephiroth is just a victim, him burning down Nibelheim is just a tantrumâ circling around the fandom, they easily get the prejudice that âSephiroth was just a victim, he is not guilty of anythingâ, while in fact, Sephiroth burning down Nibelheim was because he thinks he is the last surviving Cetra, he was superior over humans and the he was destined to ruled over the Planet, and to be fair, you canât say that âburning the whole town and murdering the people there just because of believing oneself to be superior than the othersâ is not guilty. The misconception echoing throughout the fandom, or fanon, usually got to the new players faster than the canon itself. Therefore, without a proper checking, these new players suffered the Dunning-Kruger effect, they tend to believe in what they read/hear from other people in the fandom with too much confidence that they donât even check it for themselves, resulting in the misunderstanding of Crisis Coreâs problem.
However, if you are an old fans or a recently new player who just played Remake and came to Crisis Core, and still feel that the narrative here is a bit weird, then congratulation, you have dodged the Dunning-Kruger effect. Yay!
After all, I canât claim that my writing in this whole theory thing is right. Itâs all just my speculation, and I wonât force you to accept my speculation. I wrote this all out is for discussion.
And yet, there are more to discuss about the narrative of Crisis Core, although, if you read up to this point of this theory, you have to admit that the writers/directors of Crisis Core played you like a fiddle. They know how you would look upon the game, and they actually wrote it in a way to fool you.
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Thanks for coming to my Ted-Talk. I will see you next time, with a different problem to discuss.
Part Va:Â https://buffaloborgine.tumblr.com/post/658885243477032960/of-zack-fair-genesis-rhapsodos-and-the-strange
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