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snsans are fucking disgusting. all the shit i just saw from them on Twitter is gross.
I haven’t said anything asshole-y for a hot minute so let me just say that slight empathy and some mutual suffering are not good enough reasons to me to ship a 11 year old girl with a man in his late twenties, SanSan shippers.
Like if you wanna protray the ship as a toxic or disfunctional relationship(like say, most things thramsay) that’s understandable and could be interesting!!, don’t get me wrong. But claiming that it isn’t in any form problematic or weird/gross is mind boggling to me.
Ppl be like “Jonsa in TWOW!” and “Sansan in TWOW!!” but tell you what one thing i think the show did fucking right was having Sansa end up with no one. Grrm isn’t some YA author that’s gonna randomly pull out a half-assed some ships outta nowhere. The only character it would make sense for her to end up with is Harry the Heir; and that would not be a fun happy lovey relationship.
a while back i asked sansan shippers for their best sansan fic because i always found myself disgusted by the ship and couldnt understand the appeal and many people were nice enough to actually send me the links to some genuinely well written fics. and the whole time whilst reading them i could only think to myself was “damn...this is really good...i just wished it wasnt sansan...”
like sandor has literally killed a child. murdered him in cold blood. he has lusted after a young girl and either did sexuality assault her at the botb or at least traumatized her into a state where at least thats what she remembers(not to go into if he actually did it or not -- the fact that she has this memory of some kind of assault says a lot). he is a morally grey character, and also widely well liked throughout the fandom -- people talk about all that he had to endure and the torture he experienced at the hands of his brother.
people literally want sansa to die because she was mean to her sister. they literally despise her. i’ve seen people even (in the context of the show) say that “it was satisfying to see what ramsay did to her”. many see her and catelyn as two of the most hatable and vile characters of the books (catelyn’s war crime being, mind you, that she didn’t love jon and was mean to him).
it’s fucking despicable.
if you want any proof that this fandom is misogynistic just look at how people talk about sandor vs catelyn or sansa
this is going onto my list of posts that make my eyes roll back into my head
SAME PERSON AHHHHH WTF
this is going onto my list of posts that make my eyes roll back into my head
sandor is still an old man who needs to stay away from sansa.
“You look almost a woman … face, teats, and you’re taller too, almost … ah, you’re still a stupid little bird, aren’t you?” he made like this comment towards a 11-12 year old. don’t even get me started on him telling arya about how he wished to assault her. if you honestly ship sansa with him i don’t trust you.
Perhaps the most weapons-grade stupid anti argument is, “If you ship Sansa with an old man, you’re not a real Sansa fan and even less so if he's disabled in some way” because it’s such low hanging fruit and ableist and gross.
I assume that many of these people self-insert themselves into Sansa’s place and thus react to Sansa’s canon pairings as if they themselves were presented with those options. (For the record, if a Sandor Clegane-type man shows up at their door, they can certainly send him my direction and I will take him off their hands and into mine 😏)
It’s not inherently wrong to identify with a character. In fact, one of GRRM’s strengths as a writer is writing compelling characters who are flawed and dimensional. But trying to police what parts of a character and character arc constitute being a “real fan” is even more laughable than just engaging in a good ol’ fashioned ship war.
And what’s ironic is that these are the same people who ignore and trivialize the canon basis of SanSan and Sandor's role in her character arc. Notice I said nothing about them being end game here. I simply acknowledge that they both had a meaningful impact on each other.
So, tell me again who’s the TrUe FaN—the people who read the books and correctly comprehended Sansa’s arc and how other characters impacted it or the people who try to shoehorn their teenage heartthrob fantasies onto a fictional character and get mad when that shoe doesn't fit.