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C!Tommy's relationship with C!Wilbur

/rp /dsmp I think people are forgetting that C!Tommy KNOWS C!Wilbur's manipulating him. C!Tommy is well aware that C!Wilbur's just using him but is letting him do that anyways. C!Tommy is more self aware than you think

During one of Foolish's streams Tommy hopped on and had a canonical conversation with him about it. C!Tommy is putting up with Wilbur's antics and manipulation because he believes that the old Wilbur is still in there and wants to help redeem him.

It shows how much faith C!Tommy has and how he doesn't give up on people. He still see's good in C!Wilbur but C!Wilbur doesn't see that in himself. I don't think C!Tommy will ever give up on C!Wilbur even if staying with C!Wilbur kills him.

/dsmp /rp I personally think the Syndicate was just a right arc, wrong time. If Techno formed the syndicate during the exile arc with the same people it would've been so much better. Him and Phil would have to be sneaking around Tommy as he was staying with Techno temporarily, Ranboo could join just after Doomsday and instead of Niki just kinda standing at the side her villian arc could of began with her helping doomsday and joining after finding out what the Butcher army did. Dream could've been a temporary member until her got arrested and it would make Tommy's decision to turn on them a little more reasonable as the lie could've been the syndicate.

It would also make Niki deciding to hate Tommy all that much more reasonable. From her perspective it could've been Techno had given Tommy a roof over his head and support when he needed it most and he rejected it and betrayed techno meanwhile Wilbur never did that to her.

Idk I think it would've worked better earlier but the whole thing about the dsmp is that they write it as they go so Techno probably expected a government to be formed by one of the former L'manburg members like Tommy but it never happened lmao.

I'm gonna say it: the Syndicate is the most disappointing arc to come out of season 3.

I will write a whole-ass post on why if y'alls want me to, but I rlly don't think I have to explain.

CC!Techno be like: Bro, why is my character the only one that people blame for the festival???

Me: IDK Techno, it’s almost like these were narrative decisions that have been actively explored in the story already and therefore don’t give people the need to discuss them as much.

Like… I agree that his character is not 100% responsible for what happened. He made a bad decision in an impossible situation. But he’s also the only one who’s character has made no acknowledgement of the actual event. Like c!Tommy, c!Wilbur and c!Quackity have all internalized that guilt in different ways and had added it as a point of contention to their interactions with eachother. It’s why c!Tommy and c!Quackity are more protective of c!Tubbo in certain situations, and why C!Wilbur also made it a big plot point to apologize for it. C!Techno is kinda the only character that didn’t really grow from this as a character? So like, yeah it’s no wonder people are often blaming his character, we don’t really gain anything from blaming the other ones??? Every other character has had their plotline with c!Tubbo culminate in something fulfilling or at the very least made up for it? c!Quackity’s culminated by him betraying c!Schlatt THE NEXT DAY. C!Tommy’s culminated during the disc war finale when he refused to let c!Tubbo be the sacrifice play. And C!Wilbur is on track already with his redemption arc and apology(regardless of whether you believe it was genuine). C!Techno is really the only character holding this incident back from putting a pretty little bow on it and calling it resolved. Which is why people are… kinda rightfully… looking at him??? These characters deserve closure. And we know that c!Tubbo will likely forgive c!Techno for this, I genuinely think he should. But forgiveness can’t occur without an apology.

Okay so I was thinking a little bit about the c!Endersmile scene we see in the video and how they are surrounded by bits of obsidian and redstone stuff.

All of which are materials that were used in the prison. There’s even a bell!

And I think that this scene is meant to be symbolic of c!Dream’s impact outside of the prison itself. There are so many gaps in the blocks and it’s meant to represent how much freedom c!Dream has despite being in Pandora’s Vault. With c!Ranboo and c!Punz he has plenty of options to cause damage outside of the cell and well…

C!Dream may have been in prison, but he was never trapped.

DREAM SMP CHARACTERS + FLOWER SYMBOLISM

Y’know how flowers have meaning? Yeah anyway here’s dsmp members & the flowers I think represent them! 

I’m only doing characters with a decently major part in RECENT lore (so no whitelisted guests or ppl like charlie & alyssa who havent done anything recently)

Keep in mind this is based on their characters, not the content creators themselves! Reblogs preferred to likes!

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What The Fuck Was That: A very spiteful attempt at analyzing "Meet the latest resurrected gentleman of L'manburg" because god is dead and I killed him

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A lot of people like myself have been left very very confused by this recent stream.

Truth be told, watching it live was nerve wracking as fuck my dudes!

It felt like everything I thought I knew about this absolute bastard of a man who haunts my silly little analysist dreams was completely thrown out of the window in favor of either confusion, panic, rage, or somehow all of the above!

But never fear! After rewatching the vod a total of three times fueled with nothing but the burning rage and spite I have in my silly little Wilbur sympathizer heart – I now somewhat have my shit together!!

BASICALLY!

Today, I will be sitting down and trying to pick apart and analyze whatever the fuck that shitshow of a stream was for your absolute entertainment value.

So if you're still reading this god awful introduction and are ready to subject yourself to the horrid sights of Tea Using Her Brain™ —

Be my guest :)

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This rage essay will consist of a total of four sections.

Our first point being,

1. Someone's a little TOO mentally ill

I think as a general consensus for not only this analysis, but for the entire stream itself – is that it's important to remember that Wilbur is still very very mentally ill.

And while he may not be nearly as self destructive or suicidal as he was back in Pogtopia –

Wilbur is still dealing with those effects.

Shit like extreme cases of paranoia, depression, self loathing, and the odd phenomenom of viewing your reality as a fucked up narrative designed to twist your suffering into a literary tragedy doesn't dissapear out of thin air!

Not only are those effects completely untreated – but he also has the added trauma of being stuck in a dingy death train station in complete and utter isolation devoid of any stimuli for a good 13 years of his life!

This Man Is Not Okay!

And despite how much he claims he's better and generally seems happier – It's pretty likely he's still riding the euphoria of being alive, and is possibly dependant on it.

Wilbur seems to be in somewhat of a state of denial – such as by pretending he's perfectly fine and dandy, creating yet another persona to hide from his crushing amount of baggage, avoiding confronting his issues and instead making apologies he himself doesn't fully understand, or, i dunno—

Baring second hand witness to the abuse and manipulation his younger brother went through by the hands of the man he now views as his hero, and dismissing it in favor for his ideals? perhaps choosing not to look into it?

Or is it the apathy and desensitization to not only his own – or his brother's – but everyone's trauma?

or maybe it's the refusal to see past his own theatrical ideology?

Say, remember how he said not to think too hard about things?

This newfound euphoria won't last forever! It's only a matter of time until Wilbur has that wonderful slap of reality where it all comes crashing down!!!!! :D

2. He's a mushy mother fucker

Moving onto our next point!

Now, you might be a bit confused by the title. Allow me to elaborate!

Essentially, Wilbur is straight out of Literal Hell, right? To paint a picture for you – imagine being stuck in your own personal limbo for 13 years in complete isolation and darkness, left with nothing but your own spiralling thoughts as company.

Sounds fucking lovely, I know.

Now, imagine you are suddenly pulled straight out of that limbo and back into the real world more than a decade later on your end, in a fucking blink of an eye. Needless to say, it must've been jarring as shit.

What I'm trying to say is —

Wilbur's still adjusting to Being Fucking Alive.

Not only that, but he's desperately trying to find any sort of direction in life – trying to get back on his feet seemingly as quickly as he can.

He's like the fucking equivalent of a baby giraffe trying to walk for the first time in life – only managing to consistently trip and stumble over like the utter fool he is.

And despite having a strict ideology – his thoughts and worldviews are still underveloped and have yet to inevitably change the more he adjusts to his new environment.

As of now, though? His mind is most likely just as fucked up and scrambled as it was on his final days.

His brain is just mfin scrambled eggs man.

3. Theatre kid morality: gone wrong

It's pretty apparent that Wilbur still holds a very very black and white mentality.

Comparing it to season 1, it was normal for the setting they were in! Everyone held those views, everyone played their roles of "good guy" and "bad guy"!

But comparing it to season 3? It's... tragically out of place.

Wilbur believes that true power is gained from violence. He recognizes the existence of meaningless decorative power, and he recognizes how broken and meaningless "government" on the server actually is – and yet, he is not self aware enough to realize that there are other forms of gaining power on the smp – such as charisma – and that his ideals are inherently flawed.

Not only is his moral compass incredibly skewed – but his entire perception of reality is.

To him, life is some sort of "Narrative" he and the people around him have to live up to. He views the world in fancy archetypes and literary titles – He is a villain, Dream is a hero, Eret is a traitor, Quackity is his rival. L'manburg is his unfinished symphony, he has to obey his Chekov's Gun, and he needs to tell a story.

It's not only his entire ideology, but it's also a coping mechanism.

Why accept that you're broken and in pain, when you can turn your anguish into a performance no one will ever forget?

4. Funky ass contradictions

Hoh boy, here's what you've all been waiting for.

Essentially, Wilbur's been constantly contradicting himself throughout the entire stream.

He's been making consistent contradicting statements all in the same confident tone, thus making it incredibly difficult to analyze and understand.

There's a lot of different opinions regarding his contradictions; ranging from bullshit like "manipulation", and the possibility of straight up lying.

Allow me to throw my own two cents in;

To put it simply, Wilbur is very conflicted as of now.

The biggest example of this is his conflicting feelings about Dream. Logically, Wilbur should and would hate Dream for what he did to Tommy during exile – even so far as to expressing wanting to disembowel him.

However, that hate towards clashes against how he views him. It's possible Wilbur could feel like he owes Dream some sort of gratitude. I mean, why wouldn't you be eternally grateful towards the person who saved you from your personal hell? Not only that, but while Wilbur may not necessarily like Dream – it's evident that he respects Dream.

Remember how I said Wilbur's headspace was equivalent to scrambled eggs? That heavily applies regarding his contradictions. If his thoughts are scrambled, his speech wouldn't be any better now, would it?

Revivedbur tends to think out loud. He says whatever is on his mind, generally has a bad brain to mouth filter, and has difficulty properly articulating himself and what he means, thus resulting in something completely different in what he says.

A big example of this is the comments regarding L'manburg;

“Tommy, I’ve made an oath of not lying now that I’m alive again. So I’m gonna come clean to you with the truth. Uh…one thing, I didn’t actually care about L’manburg, I just cared about – you know, sticking it to the man. Actually, I cared about L’manburg for the sole reason that I could use it to stick it to the man. You ever sticked it to the man, Tommy?”

While I wasn't able to find all of the transcriptions, I found the most important one.

Wilbur never cared about L'manburg? Absolute bullshit. Wilbur loved that nation with every fiber of his being! he cried for that nation! He bled for that nation!

Truth be told I had to think about this quote for days, despite having the answer all along.

Wilbur never cared about L'manburg's land, he cared about the people and what it stood for.

He never cared about the van, he cared about the fond memories of his brother tied to it. He never cared about the walls, he cared about the effort of a friend joining a cause. He never cared about the land, he cared about the people who built that land.

It didn't matter what land it stood on, it's name, or even it's flag – it was the people who put their heart into it.

Wilbur never blew up L'manburg, Wilbur only blew up its remains.

So this is where I come back to – "Revivedbur has difficulty properly articulating himself and what he means, thus resulting in something completely different in what he says." –

“Uh…one thing, I didn’t actually care about L’manburg, I just cared about – you know, sticking it to the man. Actually, I cared about L’manburg for the sole reason that I could use it to stick it to the man. You ever sticked it to the man, Tommy?”

"I never cared for the land L'manburg was on, I cared about the ideals it stood for. I cared about challenging an oppressive authority for our rightful and deserved freedom. Actually, I cared about L'manburg for the sole reason it was a revolution."

Take that with a grain of salt. But I think this is closer to what he actually meant.

“L’manburg was a tool. It was a great tool, it worked, you know. It divided so many people, man (. . .)”

I'm bringing this quote as another example of Wilbur's silly little scrambled eggs brain. But this. This was the one that stumped me.

L'manburg was a tool, huh? Tool for what? "Sticking it to the man"? Well, we all know what that's supposed to entail.

It divided so many people? Well, Wilbur created a side in the first place – his side – or perhaps is he referring to the electoral fallout?

I think this line specifically is an example of not only his poor wording, but his tendency to speak out loud and say whatever he has on his conflicted mind through his awful filter.

I think this line might be from a place where he was negatively thinking about L'manburg in the moment.

It's no secret Wilbur lost hope and declared L'manburg dead in his eyes down along the line – who's to say he wouldn't switch back to a similar mindset with his jumbled headspace?

 “I’ve seen it all, you’ve had your little strifes – this isn’t the first, right, Tommy. Tommy, do you remember when you got sent into exile? Yeah, I remember. I was there, Tommy. I was there. I was there – I was in the cage of that little ghost’s fucking head. Every single step you and me took – look at me, Tommy, look me in the eyes – every single step me and you took, I was there – I was there! I had no control of what was happening, I’ve no idea what was being said, but Tommy – I’ll tell you what – if I was there, and it wasn’t that stupid shell of a ghost instead of me…I would’ve struck down Dream right where he stood. We would’ve disemboweled him. We would’ve disemboweled him together.”

“Tommy, I’m not – I wasn’t blind, I saw what he was doing to you, Tommy. I saw. I saw what he was doing to Tubbo – I saw what he was doing to me. (. . .)”

So I'm gonna be going back to his views on Dream for a moment.

These lines strike me as genuine. Not only because it was confirmed that Wilbur really was angry at Dream's treatment of Tommy – But there's also something I haven't mentioned regarding this –

Tone.

Y'all ever notice how Wilbur switches his tone – actually, his entire demeanor – depending on his genuinity?

A big example of this is the contrast of how Wilbur acted around Tommy most of the stream – with a loud, cocky and confident persona. But the moment he was alone, he switched into a quiet, somber, burdened man.

"He's a good kid. He's a good kid."

It's about the little things, innit.

“But you know what, Tommy? I wasn’t there. I wasn’t there, was I. We had Ghostbur. Ghostbur was there instead, right. And you know what the issue is, you know what the issue is? After seeing Ghostbur interact with Dream, I realized that no, Dream is not the enemy – Dream is not the enemy!”

“This world was not supposed to be inhabited by a people of this caliber – Dream is the hero! Dream needs to be let out of here! Dream’s not in prison for being a horrible person, Dream’s in prison because he dared to try and stop you all. He dared to try and stop you all from gaining all this power, because the minute I was gone, there was a vacuum, there was opening, and everyone just seeked to get in there! And Dream was the only one who stood up to them and told them not to, Dream was the only one who held my seat for me. He held my – he kept it warm! He kept my throne warm, and you guys didn’t like that, so you threw him in prison! And if Dream died instead of me, I would be in there right now.”

“So Tommy, you should thank that I wasn’t alive to attack Dream when we got exiled! You should be glad we had little, passive Ghostbur, because now Dream’s in there, and I’m out here, baby.”

And this is where he switches again, and the contradiction occurs. I've already went through this above, but I'll point out that Wilbur seems to have a very flawed thought pattern here.

This is where his flawed ideals of literary titles kick in once more. Wilbur seems to believe that Dream took his place as the story's villain – therefore "keeping his throne warm."

He also makes incorrent assumptions he genuinely believes are true. Such as his belief that by some logic, he was supposed to end up in the prison; and that the events that occurred he deemed as necessary and ultimately "the best route" – as he's out, and Dream's in. Or the insistance that he and Tommy would've been exiled together.

It's just another example of his flawed thought process and how jumbled up that silly little mentally ill noggin of his is.

And while I can sit here all day trying to rationalize and pick apart quote after quote like a madman, I'm pretty sure you've got the gist of it.

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Wait. Holy shit you read all of that? Damn. Poggers.

Take this with a grain of salt!! This is just my silly little interpretations of this god damn nightmare of a stream. I'm open to any add ons!!!

That being said. I am going to lie down. Holy shit. Holy shit it's done I can rest.

You've come far, dear traveller – take a them as a reward.

c!wilbur and c!quackity actually fit the description of yin and yang pretty well.

for this to make sense, i will do a very quick breakdown on my interpretations of their characters before i get into it too much!

c!wilbur, to me is a character who’s been through one of the worst periods in his life. i think he’s done bad and has the capacity to do good if hes given the chance to heal from limbo and l’manberg’s explosion. i see him as a character who’s trying to reconnect with the world in a society that treats him as a cautionary tale rather than a human. this includes things like people being scared of him and simply giving into things he says out of this after he’s revived, whereas c!ranboo is one of the few people that challenge this notion rather than simply folding and listening to everyone else.

where c!wilbur is compared to himself before the pogtopia debacle, c!ranboo sees him as a person and accepts the new version of c!wilbur that is presented to him because he never knew c!wilbur before the revival, so there was no underlying bias influencing his opinion on him besides a flat recollection of his previous actions.

c!quackity, to me, is a character who struggles between prioritizing control and togetherness. i think that he’s been taught to value control because it leads to his safety and the only way to have control is to take out his enemies and reclaim some part of them. he does this when he eats c!schlatt’s heart after he dies and again when he tries to use a pickaxe on c!technoblade when he’s trapped in the cell with c!dream in pandora’s vault. i think c!quackity does well when he has people around him because they tether him to reality and remind him that at most, he wants to keep people he’s fond of safe.

where c!quackity is power-hungry, it’s done as a reaction to the people around him and a need to feel safe, albeit an unhealthy reaction. he needs people around him and he needs to keep them, but he thinks the only thing that will keep them around is the power he holds over them, as c!schlatt once held over him.

now, as to why they fit the description of yin and yang so well.

i think that, where c!tntduo are in the story before c!slimecicle’s death, they need each other to balance out the more negative aspects of each other. i think that they’re an example of a healthy rivalry that isn’t harmful to either of them, as far as their competition goes at the moment.

c!wilbur, at the moment, is seen as a cautionary tale and a bogeyman rather than someone to go against. he’s treaded on eggshells around by c!tommy, partly because c!tommy wants his brother figure back and partly because the explosion of l’manberg still lingers. he’s disregarded by c!phil in the sense that he’s dismissed as a child throwing a temper tantrum. c!phil sees it this way because of his immortality shaping his views, but it’s still an unhealthy mindset to keep in regards to the event that lead to his son becoming suicidal after bombing what he had once claimed was his symphony.

c!quackity offers him challenge that he otherwise wouldn’t get. where others are afraid to confront him, c!quackity challenges him outright. c!wilbur baits a reaction and he gets it from someone who doesn’t walk on eggshells around him. c!quackity is willing to yell at c!wilbur to his face, tell him off for doing things that he doesn’t like, he reacts to him, and that’s something that c!wilbur likes. c!wilbur had, at one point, expressed to c!ranboo that he felt like everyone was scared of him and how he hated it, getting visibly frustrated that they’d just give into him because of their fear. c!quackity doesn’t do this unless it’s to appease c!tommy, and even then there’s no fear of c!wilbur, and c!wilbur appreciates that as a difference from the status quo.

before he had been killed, he had enjoyed debates! he had been a man of words, someone who enjoyed conversation, and after thirteen years alone in limbo, this newfound stimulation through emotionally-charged conversations that are filled with passion is something that he needs.

c!quackity makes c!wilbur feel human where he felt like he had become nothing but a ghost story in the aftermath of his revival.

c!wilbur, to c!quackity, is a reminder of his connection to the people around him and a reminder that control isn’t everything

c!quackity had been heavily involved in the forming of manburg, in the sense that it was his pooled votes that had lead to the dictatorship that c!schlatt had created. throughout his time in manburg, he did try to help the citizens get away from c!schlatt or challenge him in small ways. for c!tubbo, it was encouraging him not to listen to c!schlatt when it came to breaking the walls and signs before he was forced to join in. for c!niki, it was breaking her away from c!punz so she could run, outwardly encouraging her to.

c!quackity cares for people and he values connections, but after l’manberg’s explosion, he had lost sight of this.

before c!slimcicle had gotten close with c!quackity and taught him how to connect with his humanity again, c!wilbur had been one of the few people that he had interacted with as equals. c!sam was under his thumb as the warden, c!purpled, c!foolish, and c!fundy were all people he had manipulated into joining his cause. there were few people that he interacted with that he didn’t have a power dynamic with. he needed control over them because he needed them not to leave.

enter c!wilbur, who challenges the notion that he needs control over someone to make them stay.

c!wilbur is a thorn in c!quackity’s side, but hes a persistent one that won’t leave him be. he’s a thorn in his side that reminds him of l’manberg, which he had tried to leave behind, that regards him as an equal rather than someone who knows less than him or someone he should regard as enemy. in c!quackity’s world, there are enemies that see him as lesser than, and people that he keeps under his control for the security of company. c!wilbur challenges both these boxes by declaring c!quackity his yang and refusing to leave him alone, even when c!quackity holds no meaningful leverage over him.

c!wilbur describes c!quackity as his yang because he’s orderly and passionate, and c!wilbur prescribes himself as the yin because of the descriptors of being the unknown and being chaos. these are both fitting labels, but they find these traits in each other as well. c!quackity finds passion in c!wilbur through his words and his insistence on being a nuisance, where c!wilbur finds the unknown in c!quackity because he can’t predict how the man will treat him; he doesn’t treat c!wilbur as a thing to be feared and after thirteen years, this is new to him.

they balance each other out by unwittingly bringing out the humanity in each other. at least, that’s what i interpreted.

who knows how this will change after c!slimecicle’s death? after c!dream’s escape from the prison? after c!tommy’s impromptu closeness to c!phil and c!quackity?

there’s something so meta abt the dsmp’s narrative theme of legacy and how, slowly but surely, a lot of the fan content that helped develop the dsmp as a piece of media is disappearing. about how many of the characters in the dsmp do not remember where they came from, at the same time posts of what helped others understand the dsmp are being deleted one by one.