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*gasp* This is so very beautiful, I love it😭❤️

oops, my hand slipped! 😊

Once again straight out of my mind. Very dean-coded of me that this reads like one of my diary entries about my friend..

okay but i am so consistently impressed by how berens writes dean's love for cas.......like i feel like he (and yockey as well, rip king <3) is one of the few writers who really genuinely understands him and how he expresses the love he feels. like dean is bisexual and he's in love with castiel but he has repressed it SO fucking deeply, like i've never been of the opinion that dean is unaware of his feelings for cas, but he has shoved it sooooo far down and i feel like berens really gets that by how he writes like. dean loves cas so much he loves him so much that it fucking terrifies him and he only really allows himself to express it in these intense bursts of emotion, like his pure rage during the widower arc when he tells sam, "it got him dead. now you might be able to forget about that, but i can't!" and when future!dean says "ever since the mark made cas go crazy, ever since i had to bury him in a ma'lak box, ever since then?" and it's not a coincidence that berens wrote both of these episodes, along with the prayer in "the trap," like. i fully believe that berens writes dean as being in love with cas, it's just that he has just buried it SO fucking deeply and straight up refuses to think about it and that's why he has these moments where it all comes pouring out and his feelings become so obvious, even if just for a second. and like the way he wrote dean's reaction to cas' confession, just the pure shock dean feels because he NEVER imagined that cas could love him back because cas is an angel and he thinks that angels don't feel love like that and because cas is good and dean doesn't feel as though he deserves that goodness. and then there's the mixtape which berens also wrote (along with glynn, ily queen <3) which is fucking brilliant because berens understands that dean doesn't think cas as an angel could be in love with him which is the only reason dean even felt comfortable giving him the mixtape, like he subconsciously knew that cas wouldn't understand the significance of it thereby enabling dean to perform this romantic gesture without having to deal with the actual repercussions of it.

anyways all this to say that berens deserves a glaad award for his work on the cw's supernatural

I only come on tumblr for spn, so in my head nothing else exists on this app.

Then I see a pic like this and I wonder why Dean and Cas look nothing like themselves when the artist is clearly very talented.. then I realize not EVERY post on here is about Destiel

To make up for the possibly trauma I have caused with the ANGSTAGEDDON comic.

And They Lived Happily Ever After.

It gets so much better when you realize that not only has Dean met both God/Chuck and his sister, but they also have the biggest crushes on him.

version of spn where dean is openly bisexual the entire time and definitely fucks a priest during a job and sam is does his judgmental little "dude" and dean is like "i already went to hell once man,, what's the worst that could happen" and everytime there's a new bad guy or apocalypse sam is like "this is bc you fucked a priest" and eventually he says it in front of Cas who does his little squint and head tilt and just

"You what?"

version of spn where dean is openly bisexual the entire time and definitely fucks a priest during a job and sam is does his judgmental little "dude" and dean is like "i already went to hell once man,, what's the worst that could happen" and everytime there's a new bad guy or apocalypse sam is like "this is bc you fucked a priest" and eventually he says it in front of Cas who does his little squint and head tilt and just

"You what?"

Hi there, Supernatural people! So I haven't watched the whole show (yet), but I've seen a "confession booth scene" with Dean on YouTube. And, of course, the famous "there are feelings, there are people, that I want to experience differently, than I have before, or maybe even for the first time". I AM A DESTIEL SHIPPER, SO OF COURSE I WAS LIKE "OOOOOHHH BI DEAN". But I want to know what did the writers think he was talking about. Like, tell me, what was the context? What was that SUPPOSED to mean? ?I need to know

At this point,

The Destiel confession meme is seeming like a more reliable source of information than some news outlets, (looking at you, Fox News) but I’m not sure everyone’s ready for that conversation

Fictober Day 8

prompt: "Are we happy"

Fandom: Supernatural

Character: Dean Winchester, Endverse Dean Winchester

Warnings: Internalized homophobia, the F-slur

Summary:

Dean's POV: Dean has a conversation with Endverse!Dean where they commiserate about the future of his relationship with Cas and how it reflects on his own sexuality.

Dean had a lot to think about after his conversation with himself from five years in the future. He was right about one thing, saying yes to Micheal was completely out of the question.

He continued to watch as his alternative self packed for the upcoming mission they were gonna take. It was weird watching himself in the third person. After a few minutes, he finally decided to break the silence left by their previous conversation. “Have we always looked like that when we walk?” 

“Would you be quiet? I only have like an hour to prepare to kill the devil… my brother– our brother.” Future Dean pivoted so he wasn't looking at his past self anymore. It was just as weird for him as it was for his younger counterpart. “Just because this isn’t your timeline doesn't mean the situation is any less severe.” 

“Come on, I have so many questions.”

“Are they about the mission?”

“...No”

“Then I don't wanna hear them.”

“Don’t be like that. When are you gonna get another chance like this? To talk to yourself face to face.”

“I can just look in a mirror.”

“Yeah well, I got questions about our future.”

Future Dean sighs. He hands his past self a pile of shotguns. “You get three questions, I’ll answer whatever you wanna know… but you clean these while we talk.”

Past Dean hesitates before asking his first question “...Any other regrets? Other than the whole ‘not saying yes when you had the chance’ thing.” 

“...Cutting Sam off. I’m pretty sure that’s why he decided to say yes… and I never got to truly forgive him.” 

“That’s all?” 

“...yeah.”

“Bullshit. I know my own lying tells.”

“...I guess sometimes I regret what I said to Cas… but only sometimes.”

“What did you say to him?” 

“Does that count as your second question?”

“Uh– no.”

“Then I've already said too much about it.” 

Past Dean things for a minute. “Oh I know… my question is what's up with Cas?”

“Very clever,” future Dean says sarcastically. “Fine but it's a long story so buckle up.”

“Buckled.”

“Basically… Cas never left my side when the world first went to shit. You know– I don't know exactly when in 2009 you're from but that's when it started. He turned to me after his search for God went nowhere but I barely ever gave him the time of day. And it's not like I couldn't relate I mean… I know a thing or two about being abandoned by your father when you need him most…” 

“You shouldn't say that kind of stuff about Dad.”

“No, I know… but it's not like neither of us have ever thought it before,” he said. “Anyway, back to Cas. He was just always so anal-retentive and uptight that I never appreciated what he brought to the table.” 

“What table?”

“...After some time I started to suspect that Cas… well I thought he might have had a crush on me.”

“Oh,” past Dean says genuinely surprised.

“You didn’t know?”

“Well, I mean… I thought that he was just like that with everyone I didn’t think it was…”

“But regardless of his feelings, I didn’t think I could, ya know… reciprocate them.”

“Well yeah… were not…” Dean cut himself off. “We're not… are we?”

Future Dean looks down. “Living in an apocalypse camp will do that to you… make you think about things you never had to think about before… things you repressed for years…” 

“We can’t be…”

“No yeah, I'm with you. That's why I slept with every woman I could… to prove it.”

“Prove it to who.”

“To me… to you… to every version of myself in every period of my life.” 

“And what about Cas… what did you say to him?”

Future Dean sighs. “I said… that he should think about finding a girl… or else people will start to think he's a faggot.”

“Why would you say that.”

“Because it's true.”

“True for him or for yourself?”

“Ourself” future Dean corrects him.

“No way I’d never–”

“But you did… because I did.”

“But you said you only sometimes feel regret about that…”

“Yeah… anyways we have to leave soon come up with your last question."

“...Are we happy with ourselves?”

“Happy?” future Dean said with a scoff.

“Well not happy– happy but… it's just you’re throwing a lot of things at me and between what you said to Cas and the way you treat the women around here… there's no way you don’t regret how it went down more than you're letting on.” 

“... You're right. If I could go back in time I’d tell Cas to never change anything about himself.”

“And what about you– what about us?”

“It's too late for us.”

My friend sent me a link to this so I made a thing

openly bi dean telling people hes been "hatecrimed" after being even slightly inconvenienced

AU where spn is the same except it’s an open secret that dean is bisexual and frequently hooks up with men. like it’s something everyone knows but We Do Not Talk About. 

john ignores it altogether. sam sometimes tries to bring it up after stanford and have like a Moment with dean about it but dean is not having it. sometimes on cases they bump into other hunters dean has hooked up with or really wants to hook up with and there’s that same kind of flirting dean does with other men in canon except now there’s also the occasional sex scene. 

then after cas is introduced in season 4 and sam meets him for the first time and sees the way his brother looks at him, he flat out tells dean,

“don’t fuck the angel.”

“i’m not gonna fuck the angel,” dean says, outraged, because he’s comfortably bi but cas is still this unknown entity who scares and fascinates him in equal measures.

then, a few episodes later, once they’re a bit closer and dean is seeing cas as like an actual person, he goes up to sam and says,

“heads up, i’m probably gonna fuck the angel.”

“Dean is not in love with Cas.” My ass!

Let’s not talk about eyefucking, staring at each other, liplicking, gentle facetouching and other acting and filming choices. For that part I highly recommend the cinematography of Destiel by @lulu-zodiac​, it’s a masterpiece. We all know it’s there 24/7 and it’s a deliberate choice of representing Destiel in a romantic way.

https://lulu-zodiac.tumblr.com/post/640773359938961408/the-cinematography-of-destiel

Let’s talk about arc facts. I am sure as hell I missed a shitload. Feel free to add in the comments. And nope, it’s not in the right order, it’s pure chaos popping into my mind right now.

Cas’ Leviathan death

Dean being heavily alcoholic, highly depressive after Cas died.

Dean keeping Cas’ trenchcoat even while using different cars.

1st purgatory

Dean searching a fucking year for the angel in purgatory, having no intend to leave, having no clue if he’s even alive.

Dean praying to Cas every night. Every fucking night. For a fucking year.

Dean being heavily traumatized after not being able to get Cas out of purgatory, seeing and hallucinating him everywhere, not being able to cope.

Dean adjusting himself when Cas walks freshly into the room.

Smiling in front of Cas, showing emotional weakness when he can’t see it.

No words needed.

Cas’ stabbed-by-Lucifer death

Dean screaming, Sam holding Dean back so he can’t go after Cas the same way Dean was holding back Sam in 01x01 so he can’t go after Jess.

Dean screaming again, collapsing on his knees next to Cas’ dead body.

Dean not even being able to admit Cas is dead, breaking in the middle of the sentence while talking to Sam.

Dean being 100% dead inside while burning Cas’ body.

Dean praying to fucking God, BEGGING to bring Cas back, mentioning Cas before his own mother. Full vulnerability, never seen Dean like this before. 

Dean being self-destructive, heavily alcoholic, highly depressive, suicidal, he lost his fucking will to live when Cas died.

Dean actually wanting to die when Death herself shows up.

Deans fucking 180 degree mood change when Cas is back from the empty. Seriously, rewatch it, you have to see this.

Cas being Deans “pretty damn big win”.

I recommend reading: https://shatteredatthealtarofwinchester.tumblr.com/post/638875942565150720/im-not-a-fan-of-being-talked-into-something

2nd purgatory

Dean falling on his knees, crying for Cas, praying, begging. Again no intend to leave without him, even if just minutes are left.

Dean desperately wanting to tell Cas something while knowing there are shitloads of enemies after them and the portal closes any second.

Inbetween stuff

The Cain/Colette Dean/Cas parallel.

The Amelia/Benny parallel.

The Ishim/Lily Dean/Cas parallel.

Deans reaction to Cowboy Cas.

Deans reaction to Doctor Cas.

Dean making the fucking mixtape for Cas while knowing this is exactly how his parents fell in love.

Dean making Cas watching movies he likes.

Both-sided “I’ll go with you.”

Dean standing at his car, watching Cas Steve.

Dean going after Cas and protecting him when he’s with Ishim.

Several people reading Deans mind, saying Dean hopes Cas will return to him.

MOCDean not being able to kill Cas, breaking the written fate.

Charlie sensing Deans feelings for Cas and even for Benny.

Dean sitting on the floor after Cas’ confession the whole night, sobbing.

Dean not answering Sam’s call the next morning.

Lucifer appearing to Dean as Cas while knowing he always and only appeared as dead lovers.

Dean confessing “There’s things, there’s people, feelings, that I want to experience differently than I have before. Or maybe even for the first time.”

Deancas being the only real arc that grew outside of Gods control.

Dean being clearly in shock when meeting Castiels wife.

Dean smoothly accepting that Cas goes through his private stuff, his backpack and even his jeans pockets.

Dean asking a gay couple how it is to settle down with a hunter.

Dean being more focused on Cas than Amara.

Dean panicking when Cas isn’t answering texts and phonecalls.

Bitch, if this isn’t love, I don’t know what is.

“Yo  a ti, Cas” Or how mexican dubbing gripped us tight and raised us from Despair.

Ok. So I promised a big meta about the dubbing thing and so while I don’t have all the answers YET, here’s a bit of perspective on the differences between Despair and The Truth.

First, a little background. I am a former professional dubbing translator. While I worked on anime series from Japanese to Spanish, rather than in live action ones from English to Spanish, the process is not that different. Also, I worked in Mexico, where Supernatural is dubbed, so that’s why I can make the assumptions I make. Finally, my specialization in college was translation from English to Spanish, so I guess I know what the hell I’m talking about.

So let’s start on HOW you translate something for a dub. Back in the day, you got a ton of VHS tapes with the episodes on them with time codes, and, if you were lucky, a shooting script. This is to say, it was not a transcript of the actual words said in the episode, but the script BEFORE the actors, directors, and everyone else had a hand on what was said and changed. And thus, anything adlibbed? Is not going to be in that script which, at least for the anime side of things? Was a nightmare as the script was usually “And here X actor can say whatever they want” and I had to go and listen to the scene ten thousand times. Now a days, you get either a video file or a streaming link, and sometimes, the shooting script. If you get a script, btw, you can also not get a script in the original language. I know that the person who had to translate Sprited Away to Spanish was working off a German script, not the Japanese one. So yeah, some things can be lost in translation there.

THEN you get to translate. BUT you can’t just translate word by word. You have to adapt it so that it will sound like something a person will say, and sometimes, literally is not the way to do it. And in particular, Mexican dubbing has a reputation to uphold as the “Neutral” dub that is send to most Spanish-speaking countries in Latin America, so we can’t use certain words (I don’t have the list at hand, but I remember that I couldn’t use “Llanta” for Tire, and so I had to use “Neumatico”. And no “sweaters” or “hotcakes” or stuff like that), AND we have to match the lips of the original video. Which is like, the worst nightmare ever because of what we call “labiales”, that is to say, the letters where lips close.

I can’t tell you how much we all loved when a character gave a long winded speech with their back to the camera due to those damned closed lip letters.

All this is to say that sometimes, the line could be “We are all in this together for good or bad”, and the translation become something more like “Estamos en esto, por las buenas o las malas” (We’re on this, the good way or the bad way) or “Estamos juntos en las buenas y en las malas” (We’re together in the good and the bad), depending on the translator, dub director, and voice actor.

Depending on the client, that is, the original owner of the series, sometimes they will review the translation once it’s all dubbed and edited. I know that in the Avengers movie, a Disney rep was present on the cabin and forbade any changes from the script, which resulted on a couple of awkward lines in the end result. I don’t know if that’s the case for Supernatural, but I honestly doubt it. Still, translators can’t make huge changes for the dialogue. One couldn’t just ADD a relationship that wasn’t there, no matter what.

(As an aside, due to the very conservative mindset of some tv stations, it’s more common that gay relationships become more ambiguous, by changing “I love you” to “Te quiero” which can be more of a filial love than a romantic one. And well, that one case in Sailor Moon where a gay character was changed into a woman because the dub director honestly thought the character was a woman. But that was in the nineties)

Now, let’s go to how Castiel’s speech was translated.

The original, according to Superwiki, went like this:

Castiel:  You’re the most caring man on Earth. You are the most selfless, loving human being I will ever know. You know, ever since we met, ever since I pulled you out of Hell, knowing you has changed me. Because you cared, I cared. I cared about you. I cared about Sam. I cared about Jack. I cared about the whole world because of you. You changed me, Dean.

Dean: Why does this sound like a goodbye? Castiel: Because it is. I love you. Dean: Don’t do this, Cas. Cas.

And the translation, as it was aired, went like this (And people, you have no idea the war flashbacks transcribing this gave me, so I hope you appreciate it):

Castiel: Eres el hombre mas amoroso sobre la Tierra. Un hombre sin egoismo; el hombre mas generoso que haya visto, y que jamas vere. Sabes que desde que nos conocimos y desde que te saque del infierno, el conocerte me ha cambiado. Porque a ti te importa. Y a mi me importa. Me importas tu. Y me importa Sam, me importa Jack, me importa todo el mundo. Y fue por ti. Tu me cambiaste, Dean.

Dean: Porque suena esto a despedida?

Castiel: Porque asi fue. Te amo.

Dean: Yo a ti, Cas. (The empty appears and Billie opens the door) Cas…

Castiel: Adios Dean

Dean: No!

Ok. So… At first glance, they’re pretty much the same until we get to the I love you. BUT let’s dissect it a little bit.

Cas begins with a “Eres el hombre mas amoroso sobre la Tierra” which is not how I would’ve translated “The most caring man on Earth” since “caring” is more like “Cariñoso” rather than “amoroso” which would be “loving”, and yes, there’s a difference. Plus, “el hombre mas amoroso” sounds a bit clunky, so Personally, I’d have gone with “Eres el hombre mas cariñoso en la Tierra”, that would’ve given us more time for the rest of the speech, but I wonder if the translator choice for Amoroso instead was more due to the fact that “amor” (love) is more clearly romantic than “care” (cariño, in a sense, more on this later) and so it foreshadows the end.

Again, with the literal clunkyness we have “Un hombre sin egoismo” (A man without egoism) which sounds weird no matter what language you speak, and it should’ve been “Un hombre dadivoso” (A giving man) or “un hombre desinteresado” (a selfless man) although the second could be mis-construed as “a man without interests” so “dadivoso” would’ve better. But the more puzzling is that the Spanish separates the selfless man from the next, which is REALLY confusing as the English is “the most loving man”, which would be “el hombre mas amoroso” making it quite redundant, so the Spanish changes it to “the most generous man”, “el hombre mas generoso”. To add to this, Cas continues with “that I have seen and I will ever see” instead of “That I know”, because it’s far more poetic. And loving.

So yeah, Mexican Cas is basically saying that Dean Winchester is made of love and puppies.

Ahem.

The next part “You know, ever since I pulled you out of hell, you’ve changed me” is more or less word for word, and the only thing that changes is that the English sounds more like a question and the Spanish one is an affirmation. YOU KNOW that ever since I pulled you out of hell, you changed me.” Little verb tense play, that doesn’t change much except Cas’s resolution to say what he has to say.

And then we get to the part that made me squeal out loud. Because we go from

“Because you cared, I cared. I cared about you. I cared about Sam. I cared about Jack. I cared about the whole world because of you”

To

“Porque a ti te importa. Y a mi me importa. Me importas tu. Y me importa Sam, me importa Jack, me importa todo el mundo.” Which at first glance is the same, but NOPE.

First change: The original is in past tense “I cared”. Spanish version is in present tense: “I care”.

Which is a little non important thing except when you remember that simple present means “immutable absolute truth that won’t change with time”

Second, the choice of word for care.

I mentioned before that Care can be Cariño, as in filial, non romantic love (Or romantic love pet name, as it can also be Darling. It’s one of THOSE words). Other translations for care include “cuidado” (as in attention, concern, keeping, and worry), and of course “interesarse” (Which also can be care), “preocuparse” (care, bother, trouble, mind, fuss), and yes, “importar” but “importar” ONLY translates to English as a verb as “import”, “matter” “amount to” and notice how none of those words include “love”.

Mexican Cas is not saying “you love the world, and so I do”. Mexican Cas is saying “The world matters to you, and thus it matters to me, but my feelings for the World (and Sam, and Jack) are not in the same league as my feelings for you.”

And then Dean asks “Why does this sound like a Goodbye”, just like in English, in present tense…

And Mexican Cas replies in PAST tense. “Porque asi fue”. And THIS is important because it means that everything he said before WAS the goodbye, and not what comes next. All the rest? Is in the past. “Because it was”. Not “Because it IS”. And the next part? Is their future.

I love you.

Te amo.

Simple present. No ambiguity like “te quiero”. Spanish Te amo is for romantic love. Not brotherly, not family, not bro-mantic. ROMANTIC.

It’s like “I’m IN love with you” (Although that’d be “Estoy enamorado de ti” and I doubt that would’ve fit in the time Misha spoke)

And of course, the answer. “Yo a ti, Cas”. Not “And I, you” as I’ve seen it before (And I also thought it was, until transcribing the scene) but a simple “I, you, Cas.” Which ok, pretty cave-speak, but the meaning is pretty clear. Dean Winchester loves his gay angel.

It is also telling that the empty doesn’t appear until AFTER Dean confessed, so no, Mexican Cas is not “happy with the saying”, he had to get to the “happy with the having”.

And when Billy appears, it does seem as if he wants to say something more, but Cas is a love-sick selfsacrificing dumbass and so we all get our hearts broken.

I did get in contact with Dean Winchester’s mexican voice actor, and am waiting for answers to a small interview I did with him which includes the question “did that And I you, Cas” was in the script, and am trying to contact Castiel’s mexican voice actor. So I will be updating you on that. But I hope this clears up some of the questions about how Mexican dubbing made Destiel Canon :D

All I really need is a fanfic where Dean Winchester undergoes the plot of But I'm A Cheerleader.