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THIS IS AMAZING and I completely agree!!!! Like it's pretty clear will knows some shit that he's not telling us and it makes sense it would be this!! Also I've been thinking of the phrase "the week is long" from the Russian code in season 3 and you got me thinking.. Will was gone for a week in the upside down, but what if it felt longer, either because of extreme life changing events that happened with vecna in there , or maybe, just maybe, there was some sort of a time warp for him during what everyone else perceived to only be a week. Oh! And maybe he survived because he was "treading lightly." Idk but this post is amazing and you're not crazy I think the duffers would want their fans to speculate like this lol😂
You know, I've been thinking about how they never really showed us what Will went through in the Upside Down and they never really showed us him talking about his time in there. He talked about his "episodes" after be got back, but not about what actually happened to him while he was in the Upside Down and I got to thinking...what if he doesn't remember the majority of his time in the Upside Down??
What if it's like a similar thing that happened with El and her time in the lab. She went through something so traumatic she repressed those memories and even changed the reality of what happened in her mind and she had to have help to remember what actually happened. What if something HUGE happened in the Upside Down with Will and he just doesn't remember it because he is repressing those memories...you know because of trauma. Like what if it has something to do with him potentially having powers or him actually speaking to Vecna when he was there or something like that??
Idk I just feel like they're hiding something from us about what went down in the Upside Down when Will was there. We barely know ANYTHING about what happened to him or why it's stuck on the day he went missing or how he managed to survive or why Vecna even targeted him to begin with and why Vecna didn't just KILL HIM in season one. It would have been really easy for him. There is also just a lot revolving around Will and the weird things he was able to do to interact with the real world and the lab's, especially Brenner's, fascination with him in season one that have never been explained or just elaborated on a little bit. We also don't know how El was able to recognize Will when the two of them had supposedly never met.
There is something they're hiding about the week Will was in the Upside Down and maybe even stuff about Will before the Upside Down. I can just feel it. Call me delusional idc, but I just feel like a lot of mind blowing shit will be revealed about Will and the Upside Down in season five in a similar style to how El and the lab was revealed in season four. Will is gonna be relearning everything that happened while we are learning it for the first time.
WILL HAS POWERS - MORE EVIDENCE -- THE WRITING'S ON THE WALL... LITERALLY
Yall ready for this? *dances*
So ya know how in the very beginning of season 4 ep 1, Brenner is shown talking to 010 in the lab room in a flashback? And what Brenner's doing is DRAWING on a paper (with Crayola crayons) and asking 010 to tell him what he's drawing by using his powers, not by looking?
Okay, now keeping that in mind, you know how the upside down is stuck in Nov 6, 1983? So when characters are in the upside down version of Hawkins, they can't see any physical changes that have been made to Hawkins since that very day (and probably second) Will went missing? As shown when Nancy goes to her house in the upside down in s4, and she doesn't have any guns and everything is completely frozen to that snapshot in time?
This Means there is no way when Will was stuck in the upside down in season 1, that he could have seen the alphabet letters Joyce wrote on the wall for him, because it was after Nov 6 that she did that. And yet he somehow saw them? When they couldnt have shown up in the UD? There is no way he saw them, unless......
The writers screwed up
...... unless......
Will has powers that are the exact same as those demonstrated by 010. 010 sees drawings, Will sees the letters.
Let's look a little further here, at just some parallels that reinforce Will's similarities to this scene.
Parallel #2
What does papa draw first? The sun. Will is associated with what? Light, and the color yellow. In Will's scene where he communicates with the letters Joyce wrote on the wall, he uses what as a medium? Lights. Further establishing a connection between these two characters, and these two scenes.
Now let's look at the context of the scenes and a parallel with vecna (who's will's evil brother from another mother, apparently).
Parallel #3
What happens after papa asks 010 to identify the objects he drew? Papa then asks him to look and see what is happening in the other rooms. 010 sees signs of henry creel/01's massacre (red, blood) and tells papa about it. So basically 010 acts as a spy who warns papa of the danger that is vecna. Will does the same when he warns others of the mindflayer, particularly mike, who's the one who called Will a "spy" in season 2. Oh, and mike and Brenner just so happen to be heavily paralleled together these season.
Parallel #4
What does 010 like to use to answer to papa before he goes in the private room to run tests? A magic eight ball. Those are known to magically give answers about any question you have, especially if it involves an event that will happen in the future. 010 likely purposely controls the answer. What does Will have in his self portrait as Will the Wise? A blue crystal ball. What do crystal balls do? They either reveal what is going on in another place, or another time, particularly in the future. And will displays his ability to show things that are not physically present through his drawings, and he potentially predicts the future with his drawings. DnD also predicts the future, which he clearly plays and is the most obsessed over playing out of the friend group (at least in s3). Atleast, he's the most dedicated. Dedicated for life. Basically, magic 8 balls and crystal balls both show supernatural psychic shit.
Parallel #5
Now, jumping ahead to when Lucas and Max are in the creels house and waiting for vecna to come. Lucas and max show notes and DRAWINGS to each other to communicate. What does vecna first say when he gets a hold of Max's mind after that? "You think i dont see everything you're doing?" Either he's bluffing here about it and wasn't actually able to read the notes (he could only read their minds), or he really is able to see what they wrote along with everything else they were doing, which we as an audience know woukd be thanks to his POWERS.
Basically, Will can't have seen Joyce's letters on the wall without powers. Only one character has been able to see what people were drawing in the real world while they were in the upside down, and that's Vecna, and he used his mind powers to do it. And 010 is a character that perfectly encapsulates and reminds the audience of the idea that one CAN in fact read things between the UD and the real world (since he can read it from the void), but only with powers.
Parallel #6
And on top of that, they deliberately show that Papa is using Crayola crayons to draw for 010, and Joyce specifies in season 2 that she got Will Crayola crayons for his birthday.
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Why would they purposely show a character (010) reading random drawings, of all things, when they could have shown him doing something else, unless it's foreshadowing?? He could have been doing any other puzzle, he could have been identifying photos like Brenner did for El in season 1 flashbacks to the lab, but no, it's drawings. I think the writers want to show us that it is only possible to see what someone in the real world is writing/drawing if one has powers.
Also, I mean come on, they purposely threw in a completely new character just for the beginning of the show, who's a polite and quiet kid, and right off the bat associate him with drawings, powers, the sun, and vecna. Will is in one way or another associated with all those things too.
Idk what powers Will will have, how much they will tie into time/the upside down. Can he control the UD or the future with his drawings? What is he capable of seeing in the UD? What can he reveal? Idk what I'm saying anymore lol but I want to see him with powers!!! I want to knowwwww
~sorry this was sloppy~
To those interested, I have a post coming up about birth and memories and will/el!!! This post was just actually an offshoot to some other theory I was thinking about (you know, came up with it while I paced around outside barefoot mumbling to myself about theories, normal things)
Sorry if this has been said before
Peace!!
Stranger Things/Marvel Crossover
Mike: Thor
Eleven: Bruce
Nancy: Natasha
Steve: Steve
Johnathon: Maria Hill
Will: Clint
Demogorgon: Loki
Brenner: Ross
Hopper: Fury
Lucas: Tony
Max: Pepper
Dustin: Scott Lang/ Tchalla/ Sam
Barb: coulson
Stranger Things/Marvel Crossover
Mike: Thor
Eleven: Bruce
Nancy: Natasha
Steve: Steve
Johnathon: Maria Hill
Will: Clint
Demogorgon: Loki
Brenner: Ross
Hopper: Fury
Lucas: Tony
Max: Pepper
Dustin: Scott Lang/ Tchalla/ Sam
Barb: coulson
Some Anagrams For Dr. Martin Brenner:
Remnant Brr Diner (Benny's Diner?)
Dart Brr Inner Men
Dart Brr Rennin Em
Dart Brr Rennin Me (Dart!?!)
Brat Render Inn Mr (Well, I wouldn't argue he renders brats... The "Inn" is the lab?)
Brat Rend Inner Mr
Brat Nerd Inner Mr (Is he an older version of someone we already know? There are already brat nerds in Hawkins)
Mad Brr Inner Rent
Errant Bin Nerd Mr (A reference to Ich Bin Ein Nerd from IT Crowd? Errant def. "erring or straying from the proper course or standards." Oh, Brenner did that alright.) (See also knight errant: a medieval knight wandering in search of chivalrous adventures.)
Man Brr Nerd Nitre (Nitre def. potassium nitrate, a mineral found in gunpowder, which causes explosions in guns or fuels fire. Maybe the firestarter theory is still at work here...)
An Brr Mind Renter (Mind control?)
I think Stranger Things will end with Eleven and Brenner reuniting near the end of the last season to take down the Mindflayer together after the other numbered subjects have failed at killing it. They’ll probably both die while defeating it.
In Season 3
I sort of wonder if Brenner will be part of a flashback story involving how he fell in love with Eleven's mom and somehow the sketchy Mayor Kline is involved, maybe a love triangle?
Brenner and the Mindflayer: Milton's Paradise Lost?
Is it possible if Brenner is stuck in the Upside Down, he is Satan and the Mindflayer is Sin, who springs to life from his head as his daughter? Or maybe the Mindflayer is a hybrid of both Sin and Death?
The Upside Down is Brenner's Pandemonium after he is cast out of Heaven (Hawkins/Earth)?
http://darknessvisible.christs.cam.ac.uk/characters/satan.html
http://darknessvisible.christs.cam.ac.uk/characters/sin_and_death.html
# Team Brenner
Dr. Brenner needs more fans.
I keep hearing shit about ships but don't leave out the potential
HopperxBrenner
HopperxBob
TedxBrenner
Ect.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnnenqYHupl/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
No, Stranger Things Instagram feed, everybody does not hate Dr. Brenner.
ST fandom is trying SO HARD not to make 'the silver cat feeds' about Brenner. He's silver haired and catlike. He also gets fed information by spies.
#TheSilverCatFeeds
The fact there's a lack of a Keyes figure in the E.T. Funko line upsets me. I need him to go with my Dr. Brenner Pop!
Netflix has discarded characters they can't exploit for memes, ships or bromances on social media. Will, Brenner, Kline, Owens and Murray may as well not exist in the Stranger Thingverse.
i’ve said this once and i’m gonna say it again:
st3 promo team is committing will byers erasure.
I'm of the old Stranger Things season 1 era fandom opinion that believes that Dr. Brenner is actually German or Russian (remember his weird nondescript accent?).
Dude can't be The American because he's not a damn American.
Hot take: I still think "The American" refers to Brenner and not Hopper
An Eurocity train near Matrei am Brenner, Austria. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Eurocity_bei_Matrei_am_Brenner.jpg