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Ok then
As someone who has experience SA , i find it real hard to support caiti
I was 11 and it was done while i was asleep and could not consent
What happened with george was not assault, it was a bad s3xual experience and the accusations against the guy are too much . I am saying this even though i do not like him as a cc.
Allegations -
Rape- misintepreted action is not rape. They were both consensually cuddly and he immediately stopped when she showed discomfort.
It being a bad experience ( for which he apologised profusely ) does not make it rape
P3dophilia - she lied about her age by falsely entering a 21 plus party and underage drinking. For all the people getting mad at the guy for misusing a 'kid' . Bloody hell he did not know that . I mean you would assume that a person at a 21 + party would be that age right ?
Aroace - I am sorry are people meant to be mind readers ? How the fuck is he supposed to know you are on the ace spectrum. I am on the ace spectrum and you knke what i do ? TELL THE DUDE THAT IS MAKING A MOVE ON ME , it is not that hard mate.
Shitty apology - did you want him to lie about his persepective for your vindiction? Lie about his side of the story ? He thought he was with a pretty girl his age who seemed comfortabke with him and slowly tried his chance . Hell , her best friend could not tell she was uncomfortable and a stranger is supposed to do so ?
She could have left anytime. No one was stopping her and ahe even could have texted a friend to come get her while she was in the washroom
This type of shit is terrible for the people who actually experience sa
I am not yet 18 and a 'freshly eighteen ' peraon ahould have the brain to know what impact there words would have on a public personality's job.
She can feel bad abput it without trying to ruin another persons life
SA and r3pe are not words to be used lightly
Jesus fuck i feel bad for shelby whose on experience is being discredited because of this mess
Shelby's response
What the fuck is a 18 year old child supposed to mean?
If she is a child then she should not be drinking and be friends with you , should she ?
Since you miss 30 something are older than george
Silent reminders victims are not perfect angels.
Bloody hell women are you hearing yourself ? Did you even check for the slightest bit of information before you open your mouth ?
There is a good reason why so many sa survivors are against caiti
Nobody wants another case like the inquisitor ever again
!!TW: Assault!!
About the current situation:
There's a streamer, Caitibugzz, making an allegation that some people believe is directed towards Georgenotfound. She doesn't name him, and the details are somewhat confusing, but people are making that connection. I'm not entirely convinced myself, mostly due to the number of people involved not adding up for dteam.
Her allegation is that while drunk in a hotel room in summer 2023 with several other people, he touched her several times, the first time she only describes it as "sticking his hand under her clothing and asking if she was ticklish" although she does not say where. And then "touching her in certain areas to make her lose the phone game that she was playing". She alleges that he contacted her on instagram, although no specifics are provided. That he left the hotel room at the same time as her, and asked her to get in the elevator with him, she refused and he left. She never describes telling him to stop, although she does describe being very uncomfortable.
I have mixed feelings on her allegations myself. She uses very flowery language when talking about things and colors statements without actually providing details, she doesn't actually discuss where she was touched at all and that context really matters. Like, a drunk guy poking you in the side right under your shirt has an extremely different context than a guy groping at you under your clothing. Or someone tapping your shoulder to make you lose a phone game vs touching elsewhere.
Without that context, it's really hard for me to know how I feel about this. If her allegation is directed towards George, and it's "while we were drunk, he poked me in the side and then tapped me on the shoulder to make me lose a phone game" then that's something I feel extremely differently about than "while we were drunk he groped me in front of other people". One can easily be a misunderstanding and someone not behaving appropriately while drunk and thinking everyone's having fun, the other is assault. I'd want more context there and for George to be able to make a response if this is about him before I'd cast judgement.
đ§đťââď¸me right now cause I wrote a long ass paragraph about my experience with my first ever boyfriend about how he literally sexually harassed me and now I donât know what to do with it.
I genuinely canât express how angry it make me feel when someone thinks itâs ok to touch someone or say sexual things to someone not even bothering to ask if they are ok with it. Than proceed to use the excuse, well the person was silent. Silence isnât consent, never will be. Hesitation isnât consent, itâs a clear sign that the person is uncomfortable but scared to say no. If the person verbalized a confident yes than you have their consent. Donât try and justify your shitty actions with âwell the person was quiet.â Not an excuse just proves your a prick.
Youâre right. You donât always need to verbalized consent, yes technically itâs not always needed. Does that apply to a women you have just met a day ago? No. You donât know her so donât act like you do. Does that apply to a drunk women? No. Sheâs drunk, no drunk person can consent to anything so fuck off.
You guys are missing the import aspect of this whole situation! Yes technically consent isnât always verbalized, it can be in body language. Yet that only applies to a person youâve known for a long time, you know them, their way of thinking and how their body language is. Doesnât apply to a drunk girl youâve met a day ago.
Yet as much as consent doesnât need to be verbalized, itâs important to ask. Even if you knew the person for 1 year or even 10 years. Ask consent, itâs really not that fucking weird to ask! It wonât kill the mood, and if you think asking for someoneâs consent is killing the mood that tells me a lot of what type of person you are.
So is consent always verbalized? No. Does it always have to be verbalized? No. Is it better to be verbalized? Yes. Ask for consent, itâs not that fucking difficult.
I just wanna take away every aspect of them being a content creator you like to show you how fuck up and disgusting the Situation actually is.
A 26 year old man touches a drunk 18 year old women without her consent.
Itâs always âsupport victimsâ till itâs you favourite stupid fucking white guy. HES NOT GOD! HE IS A BOY, A BOY WHO SEXUALLY ASSAULTED A GIRL, THAT IS WHAT HE IS!
Let all also not forget the weird comments george had made on the topic of consent and just sexual things in general. Clearly he refuses to take accountability of what actually happened and instead wants to make excuses (shit ones). This is just a way for people to understand itâs much different after also knowing his previous comments heâs made and that heâs genuinely just a fucking creep.
A clip of George on a podcast talking about sexual harassment and consent.
Screenshot of a post from a girl name andi who came forth about the abuse she endured throughout her and punzâs relationship.
Screenshot from punzâs Twitter replying to the post andi had made. In the post he confirms that George did in fact say that.
Fucking weird thing to say George. Heâs a creep and stop trying to deny it just cause you wanna watch your favourite mcyt.
It absolutely hilariously disgusting to me how a women can come out about their sexual assault and have the man admit it, yet you guys still refuse to believe her.
He admitted to it. He admitted to touching her and not asking consent. He admitted to assuming that this drunk girl he had only met a day ago was ok with him putting his hand up her shirt and touching her boobs in a room full of people. He admitted to it all yet you still try and deny it. Try and find excuses and reasons to support him and defend him, if you still wanna watch him go for it at this point! donât invalidate someones story just so you can feel comfortable watching that person. Own up to the truth that your an asshole who doesnât actually care about victims and just want to watch his stupid little YouTube videos and stream.
He hasnât even fully addressed the issue at hand instead tiptoeing his way around and finding distractions for you guys so you donât actually focus on the situation at hand. Picking bits and pieces she left out or was inconsistent on to make you guys not trust her. What does a man who wasnât even there during the assault have anything to do with this? Why are you calling this guy who didnât even see what fucking happened? Itâs so incredibly irrelevant to the actual problem! You put your hand under her shirt and start touching her boobs in a room full of people, and instead of apologizing and addressing the fact that what you had done is wrong you are saying making excuses. Itâs not that difficult to just fucking apologize.
âWell he was drunkâ and? So was caiti and she didnât start fucking touching his tits, now did she? Iâve been a little drunk before, never have I touched someoneâs tits because of it. Even if he was seriously out of it wouldnât he have just apologized for it? instead of trying to make excuses to why heâs a good guy! Just makes him like a bigger prick. Like he seriously couldâve just said âIâm sorry I was drunk but I seriously shouldnât have touched you without your consent, it was wrong for me to assume that you would be ok with it and I am terribly sorry that I have cause you harm.â Is that such a difficult thing to ask or say? Itâs not. take accountability instead of making pointless excuses to distract people from the actual topic.
Fuck georgenotfound
Fuck George Davidson
Itâs important to remember not to idolize celebrities and content creators. We donât know these people, donât idolize them, donât put them on a pedestal. We donât know who these people are when they are not on camera and itâs so important to remember that. You donât know who any of these people are truly and so donât act like you do. Donât defend their actions especially since these are mostly all grown men and women.
Definition of domestic abuse:
Domestic abuse is typically manifested as a pattern of abusive behavior toward an intimate partner in a dating or family relationship, where the abuser exerts power and control over the victim. Domestic abuse can be mental, physical, economic or sexual in nature.
Wilbur repeatably bit Shelby hard enough to cause bruises and pain, implanted a safe word to which he always ignored and weaponized. still bit her hard and would even purposely bite down harder if she screamed the safe word. Poke at the bruises for âfunâ just to hurt her. Lock her inside his filthy home and make her clean up his filth.
William Patrick spencer gold domestically abused Shelby.
Definition of sexual assault:
The term sexual assault refers to sexual contact or behavior that occurs without explicit consent of the victim. Some forms of sexual assault include: Attempted rape. Fondling or unwanted sexual touching. Forcing a victim to perform sexual acts, such as oral sex or penetrating the perpetrator's body.
George put his hand under caitiâs shirt and touched/fondled her boobs in a room full of people while she was drunk and she didnât explicitly consent.
George Davidson sexually assaulted caiti.
@dutchess-psyche
Since you clearly canât understand simple context clues the full fucking clip and if thatâs not enough for you
The video link. Next time watch your fucking mouth and donât call me dense for commenting on the fact that what George had said was creepy. Cause as I even stated in BOTH of my replyâs that was his response on consent. That itâs âfineâ because what if the guy was drunk. Think before responding donât actively try calling me dense for exposing someone for being a creep.
To the people saying caiti has changed her story you guys are fucking idiots. Either you failed English class or never actually watched her original stream. In her original stream she had heavily implied that he touched her boobs.
âHis hand went up my shirtâ
âTouched me in places Iâve never been touched beforeâ
Indicating that she was talking about him touching her boobs. Anyone with common sense can put the two and two together. Clearly if you canât you must have failed English class. She didnât change her story she just made it more explicit; cause you fuckheads took everything out of context and claimed âhe just tickled herâ. He touched her boobs without consent.
Also shaming her for not remembering a lot of what happened that night is ridiculous. 1, she was fucking drunk, Iâm not surprised that her memory is a little hazy. 2, people who experience very traumatic experience that cause them to feel absolutely terrible tend to have their mind almost delete some of the actual memory to help make you feel less terrible. Thereâs an actual psychology study on this. As a victim myself of sexual harassment and abuse since I was a literal kid thereâs a lot I feel I can barely even remember and even if I do itâs super hazy and I have no details. Our brainâs makes us forget certain things so you donât have to feel the overwhelming pain it causes you. Our brainâs also tries to make us find excuses to make it feel or sound like it wasnât as bad as it actually was.
An article that explains it better than I can and has more information.
Asking other people who werenât even really in the fucking room if caiti was comfortable is so incredibly stupid.
1. This guy wasnât even there during the assault so why is he being mentioned at all?
2. Why make other people speak for caiti? Caiti was the one who knew how she was feeling since she is the actual victim! so itâs stupid to ask people who werenât even really there and donât know her!
3. You did it in front of other people. If someone started touching me sexually in a room full of people, especially people I barely know, especially people who are fucking friends with him. I think I would pretend Iâm fine as-well. I wouldnât know how to fucking react either!
4. Most people who have been sexually assaulted and raped knows the feeling of your body being still cause your scared and donât know what to do.
Hereâs a article about it as-well.
5. Just because she smiled at you or looked ok with it doesnât give you the right. You met her a day ago and she was drunk meaning you canât just assume. Thatâs like me going over to my friends house and smiling and joking around with them and suddenly his hands is down my pants cause âI looked ok with itâ. Ridiculous logic when you know peoples brain is actually complex and jus cause someone looks like they might want it doesnât mean they actually want it. Have you failed kindergarten? Keep your hands to yourself!
6. She was drunk Iâm sure if most people know that when you are drunk your brain and body is all over the place. Some people are more giggling and bubbly when theyâre drunk, from my own experiences I know I am that person.
7. âWell George was also drunkâ Alcohol doesnât make a person sexually assault someone. Itâs just an excuse sexual assaulters use.
I just wanted to say thank you for the well spoken words on the Caiti situation, as a victim myself in almost the exact same way minus the alcohol, the rhetoric going around on this situation is so incredibly harmful.
There are so many obvious logical fallacies that will now just be used on other victims after this in the impact zone of the internet involved.
People saying that if it was actually bad, then someone in the room would have put a stop to it, when bystander effect, normalized bad practices, and alcohol exists.
People saying that since George didnât do it purposefully without consent means it isnât SA.
People saying that if it was serious she would have gotten the justice system involved when most cases arenât going to be prosecutable in a court of law with minimal proof, and in general often damage the victims more without an outcome that helps anyone, and is often morally objectionable due to the inhumane aspects of prison and US punishment without good rehabilitation.
People saying that sheâs either too much or too little traumatized for the experience to be valid, when the incident being morally wrong doesnât require more or less of an impact.
People saying that people supporting Caiti are saying itâs exactly the same as Shelbyâs situation and because itâs not, itâs less valid, when although abuse and SA can have different scales of harm caused, doesnât mean that SA doesnât deserve condemnation. Weaponizing someoneâs lengthy painful experience to say that we shouldnât treat anotherâs seriously is awful. Her story is exactly what Shelby meant to inspire sharing, because this stuff happens in all shapes and forms.
People saying that being emotional or not describing every part in excruciating detail when coming forward for the first time is manipulative and proves bad character or smth.
People saying that because a perpetrator is drunk both sides were equally as wrong and no one can be held accountable.
People saying that cuddling, flirting, being friendly before or after, freezing, not immediately leaving, not saying no, is consent.
People saying that this must be for clout or money because subs are turned on.
People saying that Georgeâs response was a good apology when he said that because the act wasnât extreme for him he didnât think much of it, and focusing on many details not actually related to the incident or on other general hatred for dteam to imply bias against them, and generally implied that he was sorry that she felt uncomfortable rather than for what he did. And accepting the apology for Caiti.
People saying that to come forward (especially while not even naming the person) was only to ruin their life, and that thatâs the only thing you can get out of coming forward publicly instead of support, peace of mind from not keeping something inside so long, and awareness so other people could come forward etc.
People saying that it was wrong to not handle this privately when that isnât a viable option for a lot of cases particularly with powerful people involved, or when what you are seeking isnât necessarily anything from who hurt you, like this is just some petty drama.
People saying that only acts considered more âextremeâ and even more sexual should be taken seriously.
People saying because she angrily laughed in her recent response and was extremely explicit about what happened to her that she couldnât have been shy or hesitant in her first response and is lying.
People actively victim blaming and overemphasizing underage drinking because âshe isnât a victimâ when this exact rhetoric will and has been used in these cases time and again and shouldnât be brought up when SA is even in the discussion, and will be used to guilt people who see it when they become a victim.
People saying perceived consent for other acts or the same act previously is consent for another.
People now believing in an incredibly dangerous definition of nonverbal consent because of dreamâs statement, when nonverbal consent has been promoted for the protection of people who go nonverbal, it has to be as clear and exact as verbal consent, either as predetermined signals with a partner, nods, or moving someoneâs hand somewhere, not just interpreting body language of a drunk stranger. The whole point of the consent movement is to have signs that arenât misinterpretable to avoid hurting your partner or someone. If someone internally does not consent, but these signs prove consent, then what is the point? If I thought the signs I was using with someone I loved or a human I respect as I living being, didnât actually express their wishes, Iâd sure as hell try something else.
People saying that because Caiti expressed these signs that theyâre calling nonverbal consent that she was lying to George.
People saying that because of that, this is a false allegation and is damaging victims, and some victims weaponizing their own experience to say that Caiti isnât a victim and should shut up.
People saying that she just changed her mind, and anyone who isnât reacting absolutely negatively in the moment who hasnât consented is just having self guilt and is projecting.
People saying that anything other than enthusiastic consent is consent.
More real actual victims are going to fall into one of these categories of criticism and false logic, with it being much rarer that a âperfectâ victim comes along by these standards, and an intricate framework for ignoring them has been developed from this incident. If dteam hadnât promoted and encouraged all of these fallacies from the start I think Caiti could have gotten a proper response to help her move on and not be so much more damaged, and many people wouldnât have started to see dteam as so tainted by ugliness. In that way everything theyâve done since Caiti first came forward has done perhaps more long term damage than the act itself.
Because of their bias and falling for these manipulative tactics, this audience would just as easily invalidate me, and that hurts, even as I didnât get as hurt as Caiti and I actually got validation from the people I told and had the confidence to know it was wrong immediately even though I froze and such, all these years later, this fact somehow hurts.
Sorry for the rant, I just needed this off my chest. Thanks again.
Ofcourse it means the world to mean hearing other peoples storyâs and your rant is incredibly well worded. I show my support for victims because I know how hard it is. I was always silent for the longest time but now all I can feel is anger and I want people to understand that is more complex than it actually is and you canât always go to the authorities. When I was 9 I had my 2nd experience this one being me realizing what sexual harassment actually is. I did go to court and I talked to authorities but in the end âI was lying.â I was 9 and they expected me to give full detail on what had happened when in reality all I wanted was to play with my Barbieâs. I didnât understand what was actually happening cause I was a child. The justice system is incredibly flawed. Sad part is I still see him when holidays come around. Itâs sickening. People constantly jumping to blame the victim makes me irritated. To them no matter what youâll do youâre never gonna be considered a real victim. The idea of how our society reacts to these topics deeply upsets me. I speak for victims who are always told be silent cause they deserve to be heard. Saying she just wants clout is ridiculous when she has so much more to lose than George does. This why most of my post are on these serious topics because Iâm not allowing myself to ever be silenced again. Iâm also so sorry that you had to experience something similar, I wish every victim the best healing journey. Itâs important to remember youâre not alone and thereâs people here who believe you and think your story is valid. No matter how big or small your story is, no matter how big or small the impact it had on you is, your story will forever be valid.
They were both drunk....Caiti isnt a perfect angel neither get your head out of your ass
Yet she didnât grab his dick while she was drunk and last I checked she was a lot more drunk than him. Even if he was seriously out of it he could have just apologized. If you wanna watch his streams and YouTube videos go for it, I donât know why you would, but to each their own I guess.
Alcohol doesnât make sexual assaulters. Sexual assaulters use alcohol as an excuse. Not to mention that heâs said weird shit in the past. To victim blame caiti is insane to me. Just say you donât actually care about victims and move on. Defending him when itâs so very clear heâs at fault. Many people who have been friends with him had even dropped him, I feel thatâs enough to make you realize the severity of the situation. You are a mere viewer of him, to which lets be honest, he doesnât give two fucks about. People who knew him, hung around him, all these multiple people donât even support him anymore. Yet you have your head so far up your ass to realize that. When more than half of the people George was close to separates themselves from him , maybe just maybe, itâs actually George and not caiti.
The fact that he hasnât even taken accountability for his actions show how guilty and a prick he really is.
âYes I touched her butâŚâ
There should be no but or excuses just an apology to for actually touching her and causing her harm. To call someone who has no relevance to the situation, who wasnât even there during the assault to ask if caiti felt comfortable is ridiculous. Only person who knows how caiti truly felt is caiti herself so why the hell are we asking other people who donât even know her how she felt. Just take accountability and apologize for touching her without consent, it shouldnât be that difficult. His so called âapologyâ doenst actually talk about what actually happened nor does he even really apology. His âapologyâ video is filled with things that are irrelevant to the story, he does this as a way to manipulate you, to distract you from what actually happened. Open your eyes and stop being naive.
Iâve never really went to detail on my experiences with sexual abuse and I donât necessarily plan on it anytime soon. All in all I am a victim of it and to this day it really affects me. I went unknown to the abuse I endured as a kid cause I was a naive child who grew up around it so to me at the time âit was normalâ. It wasnât till I made friends that I realized it was actually incredibly wrong. When youâre a child growing up around sexual abuse and that being your only source of knowledge you began to think thatâs ânormalâ. Itâs not until you get an outside perspective till you realize that it actually really isnât normal. On top of the sexual abuse I endured growing up I had other situations with other people where I was sexually harassed. It affects me so much that any grown man who show me affection makes me genuinely scared that theyâll end up well⌠you know. Mixed with that fear is anger, anger that all of my offenders are able to walk freely without consequences. Angry that Iâm not the only one but dozen upon dozen of people have the similar experiences. Angry that I was forced into silence for so long, angry that so many others are forced to be silent. I am no longer gonna be silent, I refuse to stay quiet. I speak for myself and the people who are forced into silence to this day.
Am I the only one lost on how caiti suddenly changed her story?
I feel like saying someone put their hand up your shirt is a clear implication that they touched your boobs? Especially when youâre claiming it was sexual assault, obviously if he just touched her waist she wouldnât have claimed it to be sexual assault. Like Iâm sorry but I genuinely canât understand how she changed her story when it was so very directly implied, like did you guys fail English class?
âI was sexually assaulted, he put his hand up my shirt.â Like if someone told me that Iâd automatically assume that the person touched their boobs.