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"[Edit: Napoleon was also famously defeated in the Battle of Waterloo. In Japanese, Waterloo is spelled like this: ワーテルロー. It contains the same "ロー" as in Law's name.]"
I wanted to point out that Law's full name is Trafalgar D Water Law.
Water Law -> Waterlaw -> Waterloo. It's a pun.
Oda got us again!
Germa and French references
(Plus bonus Star Wars mention at the end)
Sanji's iron mask in the flashbacks immediately made me think of Dumas's works, but when I saw it I didn't think much about it. It's just like, "Oh I guess it's just part of the Sanji = French thing". Plus in one of the cover arts Sanji was drawn in a classic Musketeer outfit, so I thought it was just for fun.
But Twitter user Marudoro-san made this thread that pointed out a bunch of the same references I'd caught and said "Hey, maybe this is actually important to the plot later", and I think they have a point. So I figured I'd share what I'd already noticed, and I will highlight the input that I got from Marudoro-san in red here in this post.
Iron Mask
The man in the iron mask is a French prisoner whose identity is never truly known in history. In his novel, Alexandre Dumas invented a plot where the iron masked prisoner is the twin brother of King Louis XIV, and the plot involves the famous Musketeers from the previous novels in a conspiracy of switching the king for the twin brother.
At a glance, it might be just a literary Easter egg, but when I look at it again, I do start to have questions. Within the One Piece scenario context, this is unnecessary. In the Dumas novel, the mask seems to be needed to hide the prisoner's identity. But there's no need to hide Sanji's identity, and it's not to prevent him from shouting for help because he can still talk even with the mask. What is it for? Is it a clue that the Man in the Iron Mask novel is relevant to this story?
For one, the fact that the iron masked prisoner being the king's twin is noteworthy. Sanji is one of 4 quadruplets, but still. Marudoro said that maybe this is a sign that Sanji and Ichiji will have a confrontation later. This makes sense, because of the other Vinsmokes, the one most likely to represent a "king" would be Ichiji.
This is something I myself had considered before, that Ichiji specifically might later have a role as "Sanji's opposite". I don't know how yet, but the imagery and themes that I've seen so far seems to point that way.
Marudoro also points out that if you look into the Musketeer novels, Sanji has vibes similar to Aramis, who is described as something of a womaniser. Aramis happens to be the mastermind behind the twin conspiracy in the Iron Mask novel.
The correlation is vague, and it's hard to tell how is this going to be relevant, besides maybe "there might be other French history/literature references in Germa's storyline".
Les Misérables, Revolution, the French Royalty
The only two Germa servants who actually has proper names, head chef Cosette and Sora's personal servant Eponi, seem to be references to the Les Misérables characters Cosette and Eponine. Part of the narrative of Les Mis is the June Rebellion, an uprising of the anti-monarchists.
In the Soul Pocus song that serves as the outro of the WCI arc, the "lyrics" specifically has the exact word "guillotine". For many people, guillotine is very closely linked to the image of the French Revolution and the execution of King Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette.
Speaking of guillotine... Yonji's attack, translated as "Winch Guillotine" in the official translation, is actually called "Winch Danton" in the raw. This is possibly a reference to Georges Danton, and important figure of French Revolution, who is curiously executed by guillotine.
Sensei clearly knows the word guillotine, so why not just flat out call it "Winch Guillotine" like the translation?
For whatever it's worth, Danton was someone who was executed for opposing the new government after the first revolution. The revolutionaries got so bad that it was called the "Reign of Terror", so Danton turned against them and was trying to oppose this cruelty.
Yonji is rather visibly the least "bad" of the brothers and his reactions are almost like a "normal person" in a lot of ways, so maybe this is significant?
Marudoro-san said that the Nyasha/cat carriage the Vinsmokes were riding when they were about to meet Big Mum was incredibly similar to the funerary carriage of King Louis XVIII. While there are some differences, they do have a point.
Again, it's still unclear about what significance all of this stuff will have. Maybe the imagery of "revolution" and "King's funeral" indicate that Germa will be undergoing a lot of changes. Something that's beyond just the formation of Neo MADS.
The Knights Hospitaller... and Napoleon?
Marudoro-san says there's an interesting parallel between Germa and the Knights Hospitaller. This is a chivalric order that has privileges that puts them equal to a sovereign power. They have minimal land holdings, but has the standing almost on par with that of a nation. It's like the landless Germa, who is still recognised as a kingdom by WG up until their privileges were taken away after the mess in WCI.
The Knights has lost a lot of its power and territories in Europe through history, and finally, its headquarters in Malta was sacked by Napoleon. Marudoro-san highlighted that Big Mum's hat and sword was called Napoleon.
Marudoro-san took this analysis elsewhere, but for my part, I'm wondering if Germa almost being destroyed at WCI is a parallel of this attack of the Knights in Malta, with Big Mum being the parallel to Napoleon.
The possible proof of the Napoleon parallel is Law. Law was heavily instrumental in Big Mum's defeat in Wano, and his name are connected to events related to Napoleon's downfall.
Napoleon suffered a major defeat at the Battle of Trafalgar, and the man who was his jailer to the point of his death was a surgeon's son named Hudson Lowe. Law and Lowe looks different in English, but in Japanese both are spelled the same: ロー.
[Edit: Napoleon was also famously defeated in the Battle of Waterloo. In Japanese, Waterloo is spelled like this: ワーテルロー. It contains the same "ロー" as in Law's name.]
Marudoro-san said that Napoleon's invasion of Malta involved tricking the Knights to letting him dock under false pretences. I don't know how true this is, but at the very least this is a narrative that is accessible to the Japanese. One could argue that this is parallel to the conspiracy in Whole Cake.
If this parallel is really correct, then, this could be a hint of "Good Germa".
The Knights Hospitaller surrendered and survived that Napoleon encounter, with its status being even more diminished. Eventually it restructured as the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, which still has its sovereign authorities (Wikipedia says they can even issue passports and currency), but is now an organisation whose activities are focused on charity.
Bonus: The Jedi and Clone Wars?? (Star Wars)
Marudoro-san also mentioned that the 66 of Germa reminds them of Order 66 from Star Wars, which ended the Jedi order and enabled the Sith to rise to power.
I only understand Star Wars very minimally myself, but a fan I talked to on Twitter confirmed to me that they think so as well. Especially because there's the specific focus on Germa soldiers being clones, and it's reminiscent of the whole clone plotline in Star Wars.
Order 66 ended the Jedi. The 66 of Germa is in reference to the destruction of the old Germa Empire.
If this parallel is true, then this might confirm the theory that "Germa is not actually evil before". If we read that the "Sith" is World Government, and the old Germa is "Jedi", then maybe it's hinting that all the story about them being evil in the past is a lie? They may be awful now because Judge is so driven by revenge, but maybe they were actually not evil before.
Also important point about the man in the Iron mask is that he actually existed. Though the chances that he was the King twin are extremely low. Dumas' story, while great, is closest to a crackfic than facts. However one thing that was for sure is that the real life prisoner that wore the Iron Mask was believed to be a threat to Louis XIV's reign for his identity alone. It's not an hard to draw parallel for Sanji's situation. He was considered so shameful that they felt the need to hide him away, and him reappearing had led to a lot of chaos for the Germa and Big Mom's crew.
If Oda is looking in adapting those kind of scandals of that period in One Piece then there's a few more that could show up. The two I can think of are Louis XIV arresting Fouquet for the construction of Vaux-Le-Vicomte and there's also "l'affaire des poisons". A huge scandal at the end of his reign where it was revealed that a lot of the members of Louis XIV's court were using the service of witches, including Madame de Montespan, the king's favorite. She was the closest to the king and she poisoned a rival to keep his favors. A lot of women were involved in this scandal, as clients and as perpetrators. Among them La Voisin. She wasn't a noble but she was a poison expert who would also dabble in black mass, divination and abortion. With Reiju being shown as the poison expert and with that history centering mostly women, it could come up in some way later on. We already have Sora, the queen who died of poison after all. She drank it herself, sure, but it's close to what happened to Louis XIV mistress.
Germa and French references
(Plus bonus Star Wars mention at the end)
Sanji's iron mask in the flashbacks immediately made me think of Dumas's works, but when I saw it I didn't think much about it. It's just like, "Oh I guess it's just part of the Sanji = French thing". Plus in one of the cover arts Sanji was drawn in a classic Musketeer outfit, so I thought it was just for fun.
But Twitter user Marudoro-san made this thread that pointed out a bunch of the same references I'd caught and said "Hey, maybe this is actually important to the plot later", and I think they have a point. So I figured I'd share what I'd already noticed, and I will highlight the input that I got from Marudoro-san in red here in this post.
Iron Mask
The man in the iron mask is a French prisoner whose identity is never truly known in history. In his novel, Alexandre Dumas invented a plot where the iron masked prisoner is the twin brother of King Louis XIV, and the plot involves the famous Musketeers from the previous novels in a conspiracy of switching the king for the twin brother.
At a glance, it might be just a literary Easter egg, but when I look at it again, I do start to have questions. Within the One Piece scenario context, this is unnecessary. In the Dumas novel, the mask seems to be needed to hide the prisoner's identity. But there's no need to hide Sanji's identity, and it's not to prevent him from shouting for help because he can still talk even with the mask. What is it for? Is it a clue that the Man in the Iron Mask novel is relevant to this story?
For one, the fact that the iron masked prisoner being the king's twin is noteworthy. Sanji is one of 4 quadruplets, but still. Marudoro said that maybe this is a sign that Sanji and Ichiji will have a confrontation later. This makes sense, because of the other Vinsmokes, the one most likely to represent a "king" would be Ichiji.
This is something I myself had considered before, that Ichiji specifically might later have a role as "Sanji's opposite". I don't know how yet, but the imagery and themes that I've seen so far seems to point that way.
Marudoro also points out that if you look into the Musketeer novels, Sanji has vibes similar to Aramis, who is described as something of a womaniser. Aramis happens to be the mastermind behind the twin conspiracy in the Iron Mask novel.
The correlation is vague, and it's hard to tell how is this going to be relevant, besides maybe "there might be other French history/literature references in Germa's storyline".
Les Misérables, Revolution, the French Royalty
The only two Germa servants who actually has proper names, head chef Cosette and Sora's personal servant Eponi, seem to be references to the Les Misérables characters Cosette and Eponine. Part of the narrative of Les Mis is the June Rebellion, an uprising of the anti-monarchists.
In the Soul Pocus song that serves as the outro of the WCI arc, the "lyrics" specifically has the exact word "guillotine". For many people, guillotine is very closely linked to the image of the French Revolution and the execution of King Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette.
Speaking of guillotine... Yonji's attack, translated as "Winch Guillotine" in the official translation, is actually called "Winch Danton" in the raw. This is possibly a reference to Georges Danton, and important figure of French Revolution, who is curiously executed by guillotine.
Sensei clearly knows the word guillotine, so why not just flat out call it "Winch Guillotine" like the translation?
For whatever it's worth, Danton was someone who was executed for opposing the new government after the first revolution. The revolutionaries got so bad that it was called the "Reign of Terror", so Danton turned against them and was trying to oppose this cruelty.
Yonji is rather visibly the least "bad" of the brothers and his reactions are almost like a "normal person" in a lot of ways, so maybe this is significant?
Marudoro-san said that the Nyasha/cat carriage the Vinsmokes were riding when they were about to meet Big Mum was incredibly similar to the funerary carriage of King Louis XVIII. While there are some differences, they do have a point.
Again, it's still unclear about what significance all of this stuff will have. Maybe the imagery of "revolution" and "King's funeral" indicate that Germa will be undergoing a lot of changes. Something that's beyond just the formation of Neo MADS.
The Knights Hospitaller... and Napoleon?
Marudoro-san says there's an interesting parallel between Germa and the Knights Hospitaller. This is a chivalric order that has privileges that puts them equal to a sovereign power. They have minimal land holdings, but has the standing almost on par with that of a nation. It's like the landless Germa, who is still recognised as a kingdom by WG up until their privileges were taken away after the mess in WCI.
The Knights has lost a lot of its power and territories in Europe through history, and finally, its headquarters in Malta was sacked by Napoleon. Marudoro-san highlighted that Big Mum's hat and sword was called Napoleon.
Marudoro-san took this analysis elsewhere, but for my part, I'm wondering if Germa almost being destroyed at WCI is a parallel of this attack of the Knights in Malta, with Big Mum being the parallel to Napoleon.
The possible proof of the Napoleon parallel is Law. Law was heavily instrumental in Big Mum's defeat in Wano, and his name are connected to events related to Napoleon's downfall.
Napoleon suffered a major defeat at the Battle of Trafalgar, and the man who was his jailer to the point of his death was a surgeon's son named Hudson Lowe. Law and Lowe looks different in English, but in Japanese both are spelled the same: ロー.
[Edit: Napoleon was also famously defeated in the Battle of Waterloo. In Japanese, Waterloo is spelled like this: ワーテルロー. It contains the same "ロー" as in Law's name.]
Marudoro-san said that Napoleon's invasion of Malta involved tricking the Knights to letting him dock under false pretences. I don't know how true this is, but at the very least this is a narrative that is accessible to the Japanese. One could argue that this is parallel to the conspiracy in Whole Cake.
If this parallel is really correct, then, this could be a hint of "Good Germa".
The Knights Hospitaller surrendered and survived that Napoleon encounter, with its status being even more diminished. Eventually it restructured as the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, which still has its sovereign authorities (Wikipedia says they can even issue passports and currency), but is now an organisation whose activities are focused on charity.
Bonus: The Jedi and Clone Wars?? (Star Wars)
Marudoro-san also mentioned that the 66 of Germa reminds them of Order 66 from Star Wars, which ended the Jedi order and enabled the Sith to rise to power.
I only understand Star Wars very minimally myself, but a fan I talked to on Twitter confirmed to me that they think so as well. Especially because there's the specific focus on Germa soldiers being clones, and it's reminiscent of the whole clone plotline in Star Wars.
Order 66 ended the Jedi. The 66 of Germa is in reference to the destruction of the old Germa Empire.
If this parallel is true, then this might confirm the theory that "Germa is not actually evil before". If we read that the "Sith" is World Government, and the old Germa is "Jedi", then maybe it's hinting that all the story about them being evil in the past is a lie? They may be awful now because Judge is so driven by revenge, but maybe they were actually not evil before.
Ok, I’ve come to realise something in chapter 1122. In the panel with Blackbeard and Caribou, Blackbeard says “What he has to say doesn’t blow me away…we’ll blow him away!!“
which made me realise that caribou know that the mermaid princess is an ancient weapon.
And if the phonagraph that is at Fishman Island was an apology for not protecting them. And we now know from Dr. Vegapunks, that all phonographs are messages of the things that will happen in the future. This could mean that Blackbeard will most likely attack Fishman Island for the mermaid princess‼️
luffy’s mom
Echidna... that's a good name for luffy's mom. in greek myth Echidna was the mother of all monsters. the world government would look at luffy like he is a monster, and also his crew as well. so in a way luffy's mom was the mother of these "monsters". But who WAS she? my answer is... a celestial dragon! Monkey D. Dragon would have been 17(i think?), so he would likely have been only a Seaman Recruit marine (yes, i believe that Dragon was a marine, at least before St.Echidna was un-alived) they may have met when the marines that were there got rewards for dealing with Rox, and 1 thing leads to another, now Luffy. And yes i believe that Sun god Luffy was born in the holy-land, and that dragon managed to sneak luffy to Goa
WELCOME TO ONE PIECE CRACK POT THEORIES WITH ME ELI
you know how odens dads alive he can read ponglaghs like oden right cause it’s past down he could teach yamto and momo and make more ponglhys based on the samri with luffy at the least maybe more so there remember And instead of luffy they call him joyboy or straw hat
less smart theory Mr Morgan’s is gonna get the true story of the strawhats by paying Nami the. He’s going to spread it around when luffy becomes pirate king to cause mass chaos (Morgan’s lives for chaos)
I think vivi, boney, yamto, carrot and lilith will be with the strawhats for the final battle/ and or laughtale maybe not officially join but still be there
zunesha will ram into the read line
Buggy and Cesar are related and there dad is rocks so both have the WILL OF D
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if Morgan’s gets the straw hats story’s his gonna release them in a collection called straw hat dream or something along those lines. Like Pirate king, strongest swords men, chartered world, brave warrior, all blue, prefect cure, true history, greatest ship, return whale, and the surface
THE FISHMEN AND MINXS ARE GENETIC EXPERIMENTS FROM THE VOID CENTURY
And you can quote me on this
Also Mr.big news Morgan’s THE GOAT
here’s my thinking for the fishman/minx’s experiment theory they made the seraphim which are clones of separate D.N.A with devil fruit abilities. And then made kuma into a slave robot on purpose. And we know the ancient kingdoms tech was highly advanced. I believe both sides (team joy vs gov) had advanced tech but joy boy and probably the government destroyed each other tech to slow each other down. I feel like they made the fishmen to be slave laborers because there stronger then humans and gave them “fish powers?” Incase they needed to fight but got liberated by joyboy who made fish man island by blowing bubbles like in SpongeBob (a la tune force) and promised to save them when the government was defeated but joy boy lost so he could never full it. And the minx’s where similar with there zoin awakening like zoulong (probably didn’t spell that even remotely correct). but where liberated before they could be Finshed and placed on to zou (a know joyboy ally) to keep them safe and it’s no coincidence that they both have poneglyph that relate to joy boy. his promise and his treasurer (the one piece). To protect when he probably realized he was losing. And yes I think the government had a hand in at least trying to awaken Poseidon to control the sea kings that’s why they tried to slave shirahoshi.
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if Morgan’s gets the straw hats story’s his gonna release them in a collection called straw hat dream or something along those lines. Like Pirate king, strongest swords men, chartered world, brave warrior, all blue, prefect cure, true history, greatest ship, return whale, and the surface
THE FISHMEN AND MINXS ARE GENETIC EXPERIMENTS FROM THE VOID CENTURY
And you can quote me on this
Also Mr.big news Morgan’s THE GOAT
Absolutely I love this it’s perfect. He would absolutely rob her blind but still perfect
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if Morgan’s gets the straw hats story’s his gonna release them in a collection called straw hat dream or something along those lines. Like Pirate king, strongest swords men, chartered world, brave warrior, all blue, prefect cure, true history, greatest ship, return whale, and the surface
THE FISHMEN AND MINXS ARE GENETIC EXPERIMENTS FROM THE VOID CENTURY
And you can quote me on this
Also Mr.big news Morgan’s THE GOAT
WELCOME BACK TO EVEN MORE ONE PIECE CRACK POT THEORIES WITH ME ELI
Buggy is moon god (the moon god akin)
The one piece is in space (it’s on the moon with enel) and luffy is “GOING TO STEAL THE MOON” -gru despicable
NEW WORLD becomes “UTOPIA” basically 4 countries run by the emperors that are at piece non world government but meet for peace
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Lucci awakened his fruit due to his blood lust
Kaku awakend his fruit by loving giraffes
All CP9/0 devil fruits are awakened
CP9/0 are gonna have rematch’s with there respective straw hats and are gonna get curb stomped like Lucci did
Vivi gonna get her get back when a CP0 agent comes to kill Mr. BIG NEWS D “GOAT” MORGANS
Robin kills spamdom
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All ex-Roger pirates will die tragic fates
The black bread pirates will go the way of the rocks pirates
Zoro keeps getting lost because he’s like a log pose and is connecting to the one pieces location
I think have met the man with the burn scar
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Gear 4 bounce man is modeled after Garp and snake man after Rayleigh
we’ll see way more logia’s in this saga. Since dressrosa-whole cake was parmecia era and wano was zoan era. Think we’ll see what logia awakening actually do
if Blackbeard doesn’t outright state it law will tell Luffy how Blackbeard has two fruits
Don sai is gonna dragon nail pirate island like what his (gran?)dad did at the Colosseum at dressrossa
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Every devil fruit awakening is slightly different between user of the same fruit
Emet (egg head robot) was joyboys franky (suuuppper) and zou was his chopper
Brook knows of islands that have been erased and some erased history and will (unintentionally) foil a government plot by revealing this info
Someone has a copy of the Vegapunk recording
Vegapunk put together that Luffy was Nika fruit users and the return of joyboy and his importance to the one piece (thus more people want to join and stop Luffy and probably massive bounty increases)
The ancient technology was lost because both sides destroyed it, to slow the other down
HELLO HERES SOME QUICK ELBAF CRACK POT THEORIES WITH ME ELI
The fits gonna go hard
I imagine they gonna give Luffy the clothes of nika (just imagine any Norse god fit would work)
Nika (aka JOYboy and Luffy) is a balder Reference
4. balder died due to LOKI and mistletoe
5.Loki’s with the world government
This is when I figured it out
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The fits gonna go hard
I imagine they gonna give Luffy the clothes of nika (just imagine any Norse god fit would work)
Nika (aka JOYboy and Luffy) is a balder Reference
4. balder died due to LOKI and mistletoe
5.Loki’s with the world government
HERE ARE SOME 3 THREAT ONE PIECE CRACK POT THEORIES WITH ME ELI
1.IMU IS LOKIS KID. WHEN THEY TOOK DOWN JOYBOY IT WAS RAGNOROCK BUT ERASED IT
2. AND BALDER (luffy/joyboy) CAME BACK AND THE WOLFS THAT EAT THE MOON AND SUN
And if your like “if that’s true why is the world gov not with elbaf”
First of shut second off
3. Loki was impsoned when the gods found out (btw it was probably lokis ancestor or him in disguise(cause Loki dose that a lot) so it just repeating history
4. IMU = GOD OF NORSE UNDER WORLD (ALL THE DEMONS) LOKIS DAUGHTER, HEL
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(I know now it’s Been a minute)
The 4 yonkos and marines are gonna have a free for all on a government island (crews included not just the emperors)
Black beards going to wano for Uranus
But buggy(‘s crew) is gonna scare him off
Luffy is going to (in power passing prime garps) drop A POINT BLANK galaxy impact on black beard (black beard is gonna die from this)
“Destroying” the government island Turing into a archipelago in the shape of a sun
Luffy and buggy are joing together to make the GREATEST PIRATE ALLIANCE
Buggy gonna get the credit for defeating (or killing) shanks
Luffy gonna get captured
Cue marine ford and impel down 2 (started by the grand fleet and Mr. (GOAT) 2