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It's dead? Yeah, then I don't care. The chicken carcass was in the store for the purpose of being cooked and eaten, so it's really all over for it by that point.

If he'd fucked the chicken before it was dead, then I'd have a strong objection. The fact that I'm okay people killing chickens for food, but not fucking them ... well, that's probably a deeper philosophical issue and one I should really examine. If I were more consistent in my stance, I would probably object to the harm inflicted on a living animal in both of those cases.

Also, to be perfectly clear: while I don't see any actual harm in the person's actions, I still don't recommend it, but I guess if you're determined to get salmonella, go right ahead?

Oh my god. I need to share another story of my new friend making today. So my friends husband says, very casually, as we’re about to leave for the ren faire, “Yeah, it’s like my story about fucking a chicken.”

And of the four people present I was the only one who was shocked. The others all nodded as if to say, yes yes, we know, the chicken fucking.

So he explained, when a progressive person is analyzing a behavior they will typically use the metric, Harm/No Harm. They may not like things in the No Harm category but they wouldn’t object.

Conversely, a more conservative mindset used something like eight metrics. Authority/No Authority Moral/Not Moral, things like that.

So, he posited if you want to sound out someone’s mindset (and you’re willing to live with the repercussions) you can ask: if a man buys a dead chicken from the store, cleans it thoroughly, then fucks it, and then eats it himself…?

I listened in dawning horror, both rapt and disgusted. But into the growing pause I whispered, “No harm…” because it really has no effect on me or anyone else if a man fucks a dead chicken. I don’t like it, I think he’s a weird dude, but like. That’s his dick. But a more conservative person will hear that and object on moral grounds despite not being harmed.

It’s been haunting me all day, so please enjoy.

Why have we as a society decided that it is perfectly alright to find and dig up the dead bodies of Ancient Egyptians, simply because its interesting.

Now I think that Ancient Egypt is interesting, infact, I have previously taken interest in the Ancient Egyptians beliefs, why they were buried the way they were, how they lived ect.

HOWEVER

I recently went to a museum as they had an Ancient Egypt exhibit, I enjoyed my experience but walked away with a dilemma. My dilemma had begun from about half way through exhibit, 2 entire rooms of the exhibit, filled with empty outter coffins, empty inner coffins and mummified human remains.

Why does anyone think it is alright to dig up dead bodies, take them from their tombs and leave their wrapped up dead bodies on display for anyone to see.

These were people, walking, talking, breathing human beings. They worked, the loved, they ate, they drank, hell they even wore makeup.

I don't think that many people would want their dead body to be placed in a museum after being dug up in an excavation.

These people have been separated from the things left in their coffins, such as prayers and heart scarabs, to protect them in the after life, their organs separated from them. Their bodies having been scanned to see what is beneath the wrappings.

One such mummy that I saw, was that of a girl, a mere 16 year old girl, who passed from disease. I stood there for a second, staring at the wrappings of her body through the glass, an unnamed, unknown girl. I tried to imagine how she would feel finding out that her body was on display, that anyone could see the her wrappings, her body not far beneath.

On the opposite side of the room, on a stand under glass was a scarab, taken from beneath wrappings, taken from the body of a person who likely believed that it could protect them in the afterlife.

On top of all of this. Many people around me were taking photos of the mummies. There is only one arguement that I have heard to "justify" taking pictures.

"Well history needs to be remembered"

History can be remembered without having to take apart someones grave, History can be remembered without having to put someones body on display, History can be remembered and taught about without disrespecting dead people.

I wish to hear what others think about about this topic.

SO

I will attach some pictures I took, no images of mummifued remains will be shown as I did not take any. However grainy filters have been added as my reflection is in many of them and I prefer to not expose my real face online.

The pictures consist of:

Organ Jars

A portrait of a man

Inner coffins (the smaller ones)

Outter coffins (the bigger ones)

A Heart scarab

A page from the book of the dead

hey guys, i solved it! optimistic fiction and pessimistic fiction have the same moral value! we’ve done it! we’re free

People will scream, cry and throw up about the most basic, ineffective publicity virtue signalling activism and then not do things as basic as not eat at Chick-Fil-A or buy less single-use plastics.

"Your a fucking idiot!!"

"Do you think that it started with Hamas on Oct. 7th?"

"Holy shit!!"

"Deliberately targeting civilians and taking old people and children hostage"

You sure about that?

"Finally, it explains why army spokesperson, Daniel Hagari found that a "substantial" number of the hostages taken by Hamas are military officers." -Wsw.org (Referenced later also!!)

'Jewish militias organized several bombing attacks against civilians and military Arab targets. On 12 December 1947, the Irgun placed a car bomb opposite the Damascus Gate, the main entrance to the Old City of Jerusalem, killing 20 people.[19] On 4 January 1948, the Lehi detonated a lorry bomb against the headquarters of the paramilitary al-Najjada located in Jaffa's Town Hall, killing 15 Arabs and injuring 80.[19][20]'

'The next day, Irgun members in a stolen police van rolled a barrel bomb[22] into a large group of civilians who were waiting for a bus by the Jaffa Gate, killing 20.[23][24][25][26] Another Irgun bomb went off in the Ramla market on 18 February, killing 7 residents and injuring 45.[27] On 28 February, the Palmach organised a bombing attack against a garage in Haifa, killing 30 people.[28]'

Yeah. Israel did bad things.

More than Hamas EVER did.

"As of 5 March 2024, over 31,000 people (30,228 Palestinian and 1,410 Israeli) have been reported as killed in the Israel–Hamas war, including 94 journalists (89 Palestinian, 2 Israeli and 3 Lebanese) and over 136 UNRWA aid workers."

Look at THE FUCKING NUMBERS

". As the World Socialist Web Site has repeatedly warned, ever since his government took office at the end of 2022, Netanyahu has mounted provocation after provocation against the Palestinians aimed at inciting retaliation, as then occurred on October 7. Al-Aqsa Flood provided the casus belli for a pre-planned campaign of mass murder and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians beginning with Gaza and then moving on to the West bank and including Israel’s two million Arab citizens."

"Many of the Israeli families of those killed, injured or taken hostage on October 7—reflecting a widely held view that Netanyahu is responsible for the disaster and did nothing to prevent it—have called for an independent and international investigation, which the government has refused. They have demanded answers to two basic questions:

What did Israel’s military-intelligence apparatus know in advance about what Hamas had planned?

And what actually happened over the weekend of October 7-8?"

"The authorities have not explained how Israel’s massive electronic border fence could have been breached with only rudimentary tools and without any sirens going off or army bases being alerted—with the result that the Middle East’s most sophisticated army took hours to arrive at the scene in a country no bigger than the US state of New Jersey."

"...and prevent the establishment of a mini-Palestinian state made up of the West Bank and Gaza."

"Just two days after the attack, on Monday October 9, Egypt exposed Netanyahu’s protestations that he had no foreknowledge. An Egyptian intelligence official told the Associated Press that Cairo had repeatedly warned the Israeli authorities that “something big” was being planned."

"Netanyahu has denied receiving any such warning, denouncing the story as “fake news.”

"Israel’s own soldiers also reportedly raised the alarm. But they were ignored and threatened."

"Put more bluntly, they wanted an atrocity and so stood down their defence and rescue services. Furthermore, the Biden administration’s full-throated support for Israel—including its deployment of warships to the region the very next day—indicates that October 7 was seized on by US military and intelligence officials to activate war plans prepared long in advance."

"Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli prisons—some 1,500 of whom were being held under administrative detention, without charge or trial, for an indefinite period."

"..which just five days earlier had been extended by one day to October 7."

"According to reports in the Israeli press, the IDF, “caught off guard,” were slow to respond to the desperate cries for help."

"377 military and police personnel and 845 civilians, for a downwardly revised total of 1,222. The initial total included some of the dead Palestinians.)"

"Some 1,500 Palestinians were reportedly killed, with none apparently captured alive. "

"IDF Apache helicopters were used repeatedly in the next days, killing not only Palestinian fighters, but also Israeli army personnel and civilians. The helicopter strikes explain the significant damage to buildings, with many burnt out, and the large number of burnt-out cars, as well as several burned bodies, which the government had blamed on Palestinians armed with rifles and hand grenades—weapons that are incapable of causing that level or type of damage."

"In the event, however, IDF soldiers fired not just on the Palestinians, but also on (Israeli) hostages."

"while several Israelis have claimed they were fired upon by Israeli military and police."

"Hamas could not have planned to attack it, as the festival organisers switched to the site in the Western Negev desert only two days before"

"IDF helicopter opened fire on the attackers, hitting some people attending the festival. ABC News had earlier reported that an Israeli tank had headed to the site of the festival, while videos appeared to show IDF forces opening fire at Palestinian fighters through a crowd of unarmed civilians."

"The IDF acted as brutal and trigger-happy mass murderers of both Palestinians and Israelis.

Many Israeli captives were still alive on the Monday, two days after the events of October 7.

Hostages were not only killed in the crossfire that took place between the IDF and Palestinian militia on the Saturday. Many were killed as a consequence of the IDF’s deliberate decision to attack the kibbutz with tank shells and other heavy weaponry at close quarters in the full knowledge that hostages and their captors were there.

The IDF, not the Palestinians, caused many of the Israeli civilian deaths that were used to justify Israel’s genocidal war on Gaza and the deployment of US warships to the Middle East. How many can only be confirmed by releasing the results of autopsies that would show the type of bullets used."

"Far from protecting Israeli civilians, the Netanyahu government and the IDF used them as cannon fodder in pursuit of a policy of Israeli expansionism and Jewish Supremacy."

"Netanyahu has, in part, agreed to a temporary “operational pause” in Israel’s genocidal assault on Gaza, in return for Hamas releasing 50 hostages, to try and contain mounting anger within Israel over his responsibility for October 7. But there is no reason to believe this will work."

"It is not a question, as Israel’s Zionist opposition to Netanyahu put it, of handing the reins to someone who is more militarily and politically “competent” to wage mass murder and ethnic cleansing, such as defence minister Gallant.

The demand must be for an immediate end to the genocide of the Palestinians, repudiating Zionism and advocating the creation of a multinational state with full equality for its Palestinian and Jewish citizens as part of a United Socialist States of the Middle East."

-https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/11/23/buna-n23.html

0:30 -0:50 : 'On Oct. 17th, 2023, more than 500 people were killed in an Israeli air strike at Al Alhi Arab Hospital in Gaza city. [..] Independent Investigators and weapons experts analyzed videos and ultimately concluded that the Israeli military was responsible for the strike.'

0:52 - 1:07: "The Israeli military, that said they would never do such a thing as bomb a hospital, bombed and raided Gaza's largest hospital, Al Shifa, alleging that Hamas was operating a command centre in tunnels below the complex. A claim that was repeatedly denied by both Hamas and hospital administration."

1:11 - 1:12: "The Israeli military also shared a *fabricated* 3-D animation to reveal what the tunnels apparently looked like."

1:19 - 1:21: [..] "But since Israeli forces finally gained access to the hospital, the military has yet to provide concrete evidence of a subterranean Hamas command centre."

2:23: "The right to self defense applies to a state when it is attacked by another, and its national security and existence are exposed to danger. At that time, this state informs the United Nations first, and then uses for to defend itself. This does not apply to the current situation. (Gaza) - Shawan Jabareen."

2:30 -2:39:"[..] Israeli forces have intentionally targeted civillian areas, throught the enclave accusing all of Gaza's residents ((Yes. Including the children that were less than a few days old who were killed.)) of being 'aware' and 'involved' with Hamas."

2:58 - 3:05: 'Meaning, over 80% of Gaza's population to flee their homes and become displaced due it's relentless air strikes."

3:28- 3:32 'So that anyone critical of the Israeli State, or its actions is invariably and automatically charged with anti-Semitism.'

3:43-3:44: 'And to discourage Jews critical of Israel's inhumane and illegal activities from speaking up.'

(Sound familiar? Oh yeah. It does. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/timeline-event/holocaust/1942-1945/german-poster-announces-death-penalty-for-aiding-jews, "I remind you that according to the Third Decree of the General Governor's concerning the residential restrictions in the General Government of 10/15/1941 (VBL; abbreviation for Verordnungsblatt Generalgouvernement, p. 595) not only Jews who have left their designated residential area will be punished with death, but the same penalty applies to anyone who knowingly provides refuge to such Jews. This includes not only the providing of a night's lodging and food, but also any other aid, such as transporting them in vehicles of any sort, through the purchase of Jewish valuables, etc.")

3:50-3:57: "The Israeli military has used deadly weapons and ammunition including white phosphorus shells in its attack on Gaza. A clear violation of international law."

(Hey sound familiar? 'Munitions containing white phosphorus were used extensively in World War II' https://www.weaponslaw.org/weapons/white-phosphorus-munitions#:~:text=White%20phosphorus%20has%20been%20used,as%20an%20anti%2Dpersonnel%20weapon.)

4:25-4:50: 'Tel Aviv has been claiming that Palestinian civilians are being killed because Hamas is using them as human shields, however no evidence has been put forth to substantiate this claim and even international organizations have been unable to verify it. In fact, rights groups argue that the use of human shields is actually a 'common practice' employed by Israeli soldiers.'(Example is shown in video.)

4:57-5:06: 'Soon after ordering Palestinians in northern Gaza to move to the south, which it [IDF] assured would be a 'safe zone', Israel began bombing the southern region alleging that it was also a centre of Hamas activity.'

5:09-5:21: 'Israeli officals designated Al Mawasi in southern Gaza as a safe zone that would have acess to humanitarian aid. Yet what displaced Palestinians found, instead, was a desolate wasteland without any infastructure.'

5:27-5:43: 'Following the killing of Al Jazeera journalist, Same Abu Daqqa in Gaza, the Israeli army stated, on Dec. 16th, that 'it has never, and will never deliberately target journalists.' (Those guys are in bright blue, for a reason.) However, since Oct. 7th, Israel has killed at least 109 journalists in Gaza." (all of which were wearing the blue vest reading 'PRESS'.)

5:53: 'It [Israel] refers to Palestinian resistance groups, including Hamas, as 'terrorist' organizations. All while Tel Aviv itself faces accusations of war crimes and human rights violations.' (Wanna go to Telegram and see some of those? Yeah? Yeah? )

6:30-7:00: 'Following Hamas's attack on Israel, Israeli media had reported that the Palestinian group had killed at least 40 babies, quoting Israeli forces as the source of this information. [..] Said that babies and toddlers had been found with their 'heads decapitated'. But soon thereafter, international journalists and news agencies who had reported the stoy walked back on their reports. (USA Today, New York Post, CNN, CBS News Miami.) and Israeli officals say that they could not confirm that any babies had been beheaded.'

-https://www.trtworld.com/video/digital/gaza-lies-israel-fed-the-world-since-october-7-16627251

Shut the fuck up. Do your research before talking. Thanks.

Holy shit

I hope someday someone who watches my videos will understand all my emo references

Science Is Not A Faith o.O;

I love science.

But the whole thing about science is that it's a method of investigation, not a person or a thing...and the results that one gets from science aren't "unseen".

It's not something you "have to have faith" in.

It's all there, out on paper, in the data, the studies.... there's EVIDENCE there.

Evidence that other scientists are then challenged to disprove, not support.

And the more the findings stand despite other scientists' attempts to tear it down, the more the data becomes predictive and helpful in figuring out other problems, advancing other experiments, and describing other tangible situations; and the more it can be accepted as truth (or at least as a part of the truth).

And of course, nuance can (and should!) be applied to that data.

And sometimes, that changes how the data is interpreted... changes what it means; inspires scientists to go back and do additional studies and experiments to clarify and better interpret the results...but that just improves the data, so long as it really is evidence that is truly in step with our reality.

So...I don't have to have faith in anything.

I believe in Life... because I have good reason to.

And being able to ground myself in humanity and in what is humane (instead of seeing myself and everyone else as automatically evil, "sinful" creatures who do bad just because we just love evil so much, rather than due to the pressures and lack of options provided by the systems around us), I feel has made me a better person.

Now that I'm an atheist, I feel more in touch with a good set of morals that is based on well-being, consent, autonomy, and thriving -- instead of just going with 'Whatever god says, because his Might Makes Right!'.

I wish so badly that I had become an atheist much earlier in life. It would have changed so much for me.

Reminder, prompted by a post that was ‘reblog if you love queer people or you are homophobic’

Your internet spaces are yours. No matter what people say; your morality is not defined by whether or not you reblog that post. You’re not a bad person if you don’t reblog it 💜

Lo and Behold: Reveries of the Connected World (2016)

Dir. Werner Herzog

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The Internet’s invention was in itself a revolution in history. That is the idea where this documentary starts on it’s path. The film asks questions about the Internet and the life changing inventions being sparked out of it; A.I., Interplanetary space crafts, robots. We see how this revolution made it possible for us to communicate and connect with billions around the globe, exponentially increasing our collective output. Thing is, this rapid growth comes with adverse consequences. Connectivity of the whole world is kind of a dangerous thing because we are getting increasingly dependent on a fragile technological system.

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Our use of the internet and things like smart phones have already become tools that we feel we can’t live without. This interconnection with technology is going to get to a point where it makes all of our physical systems effortless, but this ‘connectedness’ is detrimental to our critical thought. We already rely too much on our tech for basic things our brains can do just fine like storing information or deep critical thinking. Imagine when our entire reality could be shaped by the swipe of our finger or a single thought. It makes me think of the people in Wall-E who become gluttonous simpletons, except this is no longer science-fiction, it’s our approaching reality.

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The fact that we are relying on electronic systems to house the money of our economies, or store all our important information, is quite short sighted when it comes to human survival. Someone in the doc brings up how a solar flair pointed towards earth has the power to destroy the planet’s entire electrical grid, effectively breaking down societies in a flash. Then there’s artificial intelligence and how that has the potential to throw everything through a loop. There’s a whole chapter about it in the movie where people at the forefront of A.I. tech say it’s hard to imagine it’s limits, or lack there of. I find it interesting though that every invention we see in the film (whether it be a self driving car or a robot capable of doing complex tasks) has multiple corporate sticker logos on it. SHELL, BOEING, AMAZON. All these billion dollar multinational corporations are the ones funding and patenting these technologies, with the intention of saving money on labor costs and increasing output. We think of A.I. as either the spark for a new type of consciousness or as a blessing that will allow us great amounts of free time to enjoy the world around us. What’s more realistic though is that since our societal structure is built for monopolizing wealth and not for the collective well being, A.I will probably cause a jobs crisis and further exploitation of people.

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My favorite quote comes from this lady who was working on space travel to Mars when she said “While I would like us to explore Mars more, I think the only thing that we’ve demonstrated is that we are very good at destroying the habitability of Earth rather then improving the habitability of a completely alien world. The idea that Mars will some how save us from the decisions we’ve made here is a false one, and it’s a little like saying you’re going to go live in a life boat when even lifeboats need somewhere to land” (this literally cuts straight to Elon Musk looking depressed, lol). She is so right, even though her lifeboat metaphor is a little confusing. We are desperately looking for other habitable worlds because we’ve fucked up our environment on this one so bad. And even though we are developing technologies that have the potential to help swerve us away from disaster, it’s how you use it that matters. Remember, we used atomic energy not to power the world, but to blow it up instead.

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Rating: 9/10

Grey Area

There’s a little space, in between Yes and No. Between Right and Wrong. Between Good and Bad. It’s called the Grey Area. It’s where boundaries blur, vagueness reigns and circumstances shape morals.  We all find it so easy to think of people in terms of labels, instead of real human beings with complex beliefs and thinking processes. A quiet girl who prefers to sit alone and read rather than…

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housekeeping, AI, and naming systems

Hello friends! ᕱ__ᕱ

I suppose I should start with a quick forewarning: this past week has not brought a whole lot of progress in regards to my creative writing and the story I am crafting. I was very busy with school assignments during the beginning of the week and very busy being ill at the end of the week. (Just a common cold and/or my allergies acting up thankfully but regardless being ill always makes my brain feel weird and often messes with my vision, hearing, and sense of balance which is a joy to deal with… not).

However I will update you with some thoughts that I had this week. 

Housekeeping

Firstly, some housekeeping. I have decided to change the name of my blog. I am a very private person. I always hesitate to give out my name on the internet. I didn’t have any social media until I was 18, and even now that I do have some social media accounts, none of them have my full name or face attached. This is just how I feel comfortable existing on the internet. I have also always toyed with the idea of writing under a penname. (These two things connect, I promise). Firstly because pennames are cool, but also because of privacy reasons. 

When I decided to create this blog, I was unsure about naming it. I eventually decided to choose something close(ish) to my real name because I had the tagline “dot your j’s and cross your t’s” thought up for years before I decided to commit and actually start a blog, and the penname I had picked out for myself did not have a “J” in it. However, recently I have come to the realization that middle names do exist. Also, plenty of authors use their middle initials. All this to say, the penname plan is back in business babes!! ᕱ__ᕱ 

So, if anyone was confused as to the name change, that is why.

AI

This is a bit of an abrupt shift in topics, but this week I was required to use AI for a couple different assignments in my classes and it got me thinking about it. I know AI is a bit of a hot button topic right now, especially in creative spaces, so since I was thinking about it a lot this week, I figured I’d put my two cents out there. 

I do think AI has the potential to be really helpful in making people’s lives easier (that's what progress is all about, right?). However, I disagree with the usage of AI in creative, professional, and educational spaces until the moral and ethical problems it brings up are addressed. And there are a lot of moral and ethical problems that come with AI. 

Plagiarism of other people's ideas and creations is the issue that I’ve been thinking about most often. We are constantly told in academia to “cite our sources” and most universities even have policies that can lead to students who plagiarize being kicked out. Yet, many people don’t see a problem with using works created with AI. All AI is, is an amalgamation of other people’s ideas and content that’s either been mined from the internet or fed to it specifically. So every piece of work AI spits out is a cut and pasted collage of other people’s stuff. And its sources are never cited. 

I am most certainly not a techie kind of person so I couldn’t tell you how to fix this issue, or any of the others AI brings up, in a way that I’m sure is plausible. All I can say is that the use of AI without addressing the moral and ethical concerns makes me mighty uncomfortable. 

Names

Finally, I can give you at least a little information on my story. I have always been the most obsessive about naming my characters. A 5 minute writing exercise? Eh, it’s whatever. Just use any names that come to mind. But give me any type of fiction writing that’s meant to be workshopped and it’s over for me. I’ll spend 3 hours searching for an appropriate name for the background character that’s going to be in 1 scene tops and never seen again. I get it from my dad, I think. He was always insistent that me and my siblings had names with good meanings. At least, that’s what my mom tells me. I’m like that with my characters.

Now, I have nowhere near as good of a grasp on linguistics and linguistic patterns to create my own language or a naming system from scratch. I’m not Tolkien. However, when I am writing a larger work, or at least a work with some worldbuilding/lore, I like to come up with systems for things like names. This past week, I started to create a naming system for the story I’m currently working on (Ailidh’s story btw if that wasn’t clear). What I have so far is that the type of fae folk Ailidh, Ruslan, and their people will have names pulled from Celtic, Russian/Slavic, Germanic, and French origins. Don’t ask why I chose those languages. I couldn’t tell you. 

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That’s pretty much all I got done creative writing wise this week. I know it’s not much, but at least it’s not nothing, right? ᕱ__ᕱ Sorry for being so scattered in this post but as I am currently still ill, everything is a little fuzzy. I hope you all have a lovely week and hopefully by next week’s post, I’ll have gotten some more things done within my story. 

Remember, dot your j’s and cross your t’s!!

~Clementine J Quincey🪷

True Villain

Perhaps, a true villain isn't someone who's heartless, but rather someone with a twisted heart.

My moral line in the sand is not a dramatic one, I think. It is thin and a little scuffed around the edges, subtle unless you kick at it. But it doesn’t waver when you do.

Years ago, I read an article about the modern audacity of caring, about extending the basic consideration of doing no harm. It’s strange how these lacking negativities cycle back like orbits--or is it that they never left in the first place? Another anti-mask protest gathered by the park today. I close the blinds and wonder if the air will clear before the next one. 

I know I’m no pinnacle of morality. I’m a hypocrite with an edge of broken glass, and I don’t know how to forgive. And maybe that’s the core of it, really. My roommate snaps at me for being judgmental and I point the shards at her. I don’t lower my arm when it starts aching. I don’t pull open the blinds the next morning.

At sunset, someone I admire sits six feet away with a steaming mug between her sweater-paws. When her eyes sparkle, it’s only a reflection of the streetlamp. “Is it so wrong,” she asks me, “that I don’t think I can uphold such support to the people who continue to go to parties during all of this?” 

I think about unconditional positive regard. Then I shake my head. 

Later, I wonder if our lines in the sand are parallel. 

Snape and Lupin are kind of anti parallels, in that while Snape takes a long time in developing his conscience, if he feels that something is the right thing to do he’ll do it, no matter the cost to himself, his reputation, or even his soul. This is something that Snape had even when he was young. Lupin is different in that he has one of the most developed conscience in the series, even as a teen. But his main flaw is that he often fails to act on it, especially if he feels that his reputation will be harmed.

Both of their character arcs are about coming to find what the other already has. Severus always listened to his conscience, he just had to develop it more. Remus always had a good conscience, he had to learn to listen to it. Snape never quite gets a conscience as developed as Remus, and Remus never reaches the level of commitment that Snape does in doing the right thing. But both do develop heavily along these lines, to the point that at the end of the series both are much better people than they were as teenagers.